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To: 1rudeboy
It's poor research because they put into one pile Christian conservative Americans and radical Islamic jihadists, when in fact radical Islam is a leftist totalitarian movement.

Take a look at this post "Plane Bomber Was Anti-War Activist in London":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2417342/posts

Radical Islamists are fellow travelers with Bill Ayers, John Kerry and the Winter Soldiers, and Al Gore. Osama Bin Laden's propaganda could easily have been written by the editorial staff of the New York Times.

Further, as stated in my original post, your hero researchers who publish in the European Journal of Sociology and editorialize in New Scientist do not understand the difference between cause and effect. That's why they don't ask why radical Muslims become engineers rather than why engineers become radical Muslims.

116 posted on 12/29/2009 11:32:42 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber
First of all, they are not my "hero" researchers. Second, why don't you come up with a theory why engineers are under-represented in left-wing terrorist groups? The authors cite to studies of the Red Army Faction, Red Brigades, Japanese Red Army, and some Latin American groups (granted those studies are from the 60's and 70's, and times change).

I think you protest too much: the authors see a pattern, and are trying to explain it. According to their observations, left-wing terrorism is correlated with the studies of law and the humanities, and right-wing terrorism is correlated with the study of engineering. They define* right-wing extremism as "aim[ing] to restore a lost, often mythical order of privileges and authority, emerg[ing] as a backlash against displacement or status deprivation in a period of sharp social change." Now, that definition (Lipset and Raab, 1971) might have been created by a bunch of leftists, but I'd like to see you demonstrate why it doesn't fit first.

And I don't think you have a grasp on cause and effect. (Apart from arguing that Islamists are leftists, which isn't even the right battle here, and hardly the same war). You wonder why the authors don't ask, "why radical Muslims become engineers rather than why engineers become radical Muslims?" while for all practical purposes, it is the same question. Here, that is.

Radical Islamists are fellow travelers with Bill Ayers, John Kerry and the Winter Soldiers, and Al Gore. Osama Bin Laden's propaganda could easily have been written by the editorial staff of the New York Times.

And to illustrate my point, how many of the above group are engineers?

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*"Unlike left-wing extremism, which aims at broadening the lines of power and privilege, right-wing extremism aims to restore a lost, often mythical order of privileges and authority, and emerges as a backlash against displacement or status deprivation in a period of sharp social change (Lipset and Raab 1971). In its underlying craving for a lost order, its match with radical Islamic ideology is undeniable: the theme of returning to the order of the prophet's early community is omnipresent in most salafist and jihadist texts."

124 posted on 12/30/2009 6:18:52 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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