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To: Vendome
Yes, they are territories, they are citizens of the US, they can vote in our elections, and do, because they are citizens. Where did you ever get the idea that people born in territories were not citizens. Every state in the Union after the 13 original colonies, were territories at one time, all of the residents could vote because all of the residents were citizens, and natural born citizens at that. If a Puerto Rican ran for President they would be eligible.

If you are going to ban people born in territories you had better include McCain because he was born in the territory of Panama(it was at the time).

94 posted on 12/28/2009 11:06:54 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

But, are they Natural Born Citizens?


100 posted on 12/28/2009 11:17:25 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: calex59

McCain is not NBC otherwise there would have been legal challenges to his status and the Senate would not have pass resolution 511, declaring him to be such. 511 carries no weight of law or enforcement and is only a collective opinion of the Senate.

“Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth...
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

Additionally, sections 301–309 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (restated in sections 1401–1409 of Title 8 of the United States Code), current U.S. law defines numerous other categories of individuals born abroad, as well as people born in most U.S. territories and possessions, as being “nationals and citizens of the United States at birth”.[12] The phrase “natural born citizen,” however, does not appear in the current statutes dealing with citizenship at birth.

Moreover, Barry O. was born to one American Citizen, who under statutes at that time could not confer citizenship status.

His real age and birth location are in question as is his current citizenship status and even his proper and legal name.


107 posted on 12/28/2009 11:28:07 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: calex59

There is one distinction vis a vis the territories. Their citizens, U.S. citizens, can vote in our presidential elections but they get no electoral votes; also they don’t have Senators or Congressmen. Even DC now has electoral votes, while not having senators. DC’s ‘representative’ status is tricky, changing from Congress to Congress.


173 posted on 12/28/2009 3:59:04 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: calex59

“If you are going to ban people born in territories you had better include McCain because he was born in the territory of Panama(it was at the time).”

I can live with that. :-)


185 posted on 12/28/2009 8:16:14 PM PST by Duck Fan
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