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U.S. rights activist crosses into North Korea - reports (going for martyrdom; wants no rescue)
Reuters ^ | 12/26/09 | Jon Herskovitz

Posted on 12/26/2009 2:09:39 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: TigerLikesRooster

t This Darwin Award winner is as stupid as those drunken Australians dancing on the crocodile cages


61 posted on 12/27/2009 4:45:35 AM PST by dennisw (It all come 'round again --Fairport)
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To: chilltherats

I never mentioned his message but spoke to his actions but ok. Hmm, let me think. Nope. He’s still an idiot. And you know that. Comparing Graham and him is ridiculous. Graham set his visit up and went through all the proper channels. This guy had the gall to sneak across the border and then make demands on Kim. You seriously can’t think he’ll be welcomed with open arms or come within a mile of Kim.


62 posted on 12/27/2009 5:28:49 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

He is not a martyr, he’s a missionary. Often the latter are martyred. (He’s just asking that resources not be expended to “save” him during his missionary work.) Besides, if he is a brother in Christ, who am I to question his calling when it is aligned with the great commission?


63 posted on 12/27/2009 5:51:43 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: TigerLikesRooster

God Bless this man of God.


64 posted on 12/27/2009 5:59:23 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.")
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To: dennisw
This Darwin Award winner is as stupid as

See my post above yours. Bonhoeffer wasn't stupid or a candidate for the Darwin award and he did the same thing. He did it at a time when America was holding back too, he left NYC for Germany when anyone with sense who could get to NYC from Germany was headed there. He could have sat out the war at Union Theological . Or gone and intellectualized with Gandhi. But he want back to certain death, to a Gestapo prison and being hanged by the neck.

Park doesn't deserve the slams he is getting. He deserves support. Just as Bonhoeffer deserved support in 1939. Had more paid attention to Bonhoeffer and the Confessing church, the death toll would have been lower.

It is very possible what Park has done will have some result. Even if the fall of the regime is advanced by one day, is that not enough? It could happen. But only if those who try to end the evil get support, not sneers of being idiots.

65 posted on 12/27/2009 6:05:55 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What an idiot. I hope not one dime of U.S. tax money goes for his “rescue”.


66 posted on 12/27/2009 6:09:33 AM PST by AUH2O Repub ( SPalin/Hunter 2012)
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To: bgill
Comparing Graham and him is ridiculous. Graham set his visit up and went through all the proper channels. This guy had the gall to sneak across the border and then make demands on Kim. You seriously can’t think he’ll be welcomed wit and open arms or come within a mile of Kim

You are exactly right. Its a matter of style and a thoughtful way vs a clumsy stupid approach.

67 posted on 12/27/2009 6:45:56 AM PST by plain talk
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To: bgill

Seeing Kim isn’t the point. He is making a point to the Korean Christian community and Christians around the world. That someone feels so strongly he is willing to give his life should get praise from everyone but I guess not.

He picked the wrong country I suppose and is of the wrong faith.


68 posted on 12/27/2009 7:41:12 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Brugmansian

I wish Mr Park well....but being an American citizen he thinks the USA will be obligated to get involved...No matter what public face he puts on he figures he will draw the USA into his affair. That he has the USA’s juice behind him


69 posted on 12/27/2009 8:10:22 AM PST by dennisw (It all come 'round again --Fairport)
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I take him at his word he doesn’t want Obama to get involved. But so what if our country is forced to pay attention? Shouldn’t Americans be more vocal against a regime with camps the horrors of which, when they are finally opened, will stun the world? Lots of Koreans in the USA. Koreans have done a lot for the country. Rather than send Bill Clinton’s half-brother to North Korea to put on a rock concert, shouldn’t we be behind Park?

I refer again back to another Christian, Bonhoeffer. We were isolationist at that time. If Bonhoeffer’s friends and fellow Christians put pressure on the USA at that time, would not that have been good?

(most did btw).

Aside from all that, this is what some Christians are called to do. They aren’t nuts. They aren’t candidates for a Darwin Award.


70 posted on 12/27/2009 8:24:01 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: RoadTest

totally agree.
America’s Poor is more interested in 22” RIMS for their SUV and a playstation 3 for their 55” LCD instead of paying for their own healthcare...


71 posted on 12/27/2009 9:01:53 AM PST by TV Dinners (Hope is not a Strategy)
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To: Brugmansian

Aside from Mr Park.....

I take hardly anyone at their spoken words. Most people are a bundle/mess of conscious and unconscious thoughts and motivations. Most people cannot even explain why they do something. In addition there are un-perceived thoughts and motivations on the spiritual level


72 posted on 12/27/2009 9:10:28 AM PST by dennisw (It all come 'round again --Fairport)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
WSJ this morning sees hope, claims there were riots and protests recently over a currency change.

God be with the North Koreans and this courageous man.

73 posted on 12/27/2009 9:16:52 AM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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“America’s Poor is more interested in 22” RIMS for their SUV and a playstation 3 for their 55” LCD instead of paying for their own healthcare...”

Well said.


74 posted on 12/27/2009 9:16:55 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: bgill

I’ll wait and see. If he does back out and plead for release then that would be despicable.


75 posted on 12/27/2009 10:31:01 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Brugmansian

Thank you for your good postings on this.


76 posted on 12/27/2009 2:33:55 PM PST by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal is in Iraq.)
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To: bgill

Graham, by going through the “proper channels,” gave Kim legitimacy that Kim doesn’t deserve as a murderer of his people.

Reminds me of Western religious leaders visiting government-approved churches in China, instead of supporting the underground, non-government-controlled ones.


77 posted on 12/27/2009 3:26:21 PM PST by MilicaBee
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To: Brugmansian
This is what Christians do. I'm surprised at the criticism on this forum

The people you mentioned didn't just walk across the border and announce, "I am here. Arrest Me." That is just stupid.

78 posted on 12/27/2009 6:34:15 PM PST by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; skr; anniegetyourgun; kcvl; Screaming_Gerbil; All

There has been so much going on today and since Christmas day....but earlier today when I was trying to get the latest on the terrorist attacks, I thought I saw a headline scrolling across Fox News saying something about Kim Jung Il stepping down today????

Is this a delusion or a dream? Anyone know?


79 posted on 12/27/2009 7:12:02 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,then we'll be a nation gone under.")
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To: AUH2O Repub
Not one red cent, but how about a couple billion dollars in the form of the 101st, 2nd ID, and the South Korean Army? It sounds good to me.
80 posted on 12/27/2009 10:45:39 PM PST by Dimez_Recon (Currahee Stryker: When in doubt, shoot more.)
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