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How George W. Bush Redefined American Freedom
Campaign for Liberty ^ | 2009-12-24 | James Bovard

Posted on 12/24/2009 5:02:20 PM PST by rabscuttle385

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To: rabscuttle385

After reading your past posts, I now realize you just hate Sarah.


241 posted on 12/25/2009 11:10:26 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Rubio 2010 , Hoffman 2010 , Palin 2012)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Did I agree with Bush's policies on illegal immigration? No.

So, he didn't agree with you on everything. Therefore, he's not perfect.

There's probably a few things you and I disagree on, too. So, I guess you're not perfect, either.

242 posted on 12/25/2009 12:05:39 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; rabscuttle385; DakotaRed; sickoflibs; 3boysdad; stephenjohnbanker; hocndoc

Christmas in the Trenches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9coPzDx6tA&feature=player_embedded

A Victory for Human Kindness http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25206-2004Dec24.html

If they had the guts to quit fighting for one day, so will I, to honor them — and those like them, far away from home this Christmas with no respite from the fight.

Merry Christmas!


243 posted on 12/25/2009 12:53:13 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: rabscuttle385

The article itself was insane enough to begin with. But the gratitous, random bolding and underlining is a nice touch. Gives it just that extra air of drooling dementia. I give it 9 moonbats.


244 posted on 12/25/2009 1:27:44 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: DakotaRed; rabscuttle385

Rabs is here (presumably) and I am here (I KNOW) because this is NOT a pubbie PARTY site, much as you might like to think differently. This is a site dedicated to preserving and saving the CONSTITUTION and the Republic created by it in our names. Pity you can’t fathom the difference.

And since much of your precious republican party is run and controlled by Romney-bots and McLame-ites and other elitists who are, at their core, not one whit different than the Rats, why would ANYONE in their right mind NOT want to either take conservative control of or at least eradicate that party and that evil influence? So the better question is: Why are YOU yet a part of that party?


245 posted on 12/25/2009 1:54:36 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: rabscuttle385

As I’ve said to many of my left-wing friends:

“I don’t know what you’re whining about. Bush is the best Democrat the Republicans ever elected!”


246 posted on 12/25/2009 2:21:39 PM PST by Magnatron
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Nice spin, but not totally accurate. But, I suspect you know that.

The website didn’t just “parody” Bush, but nearly mirrored the official site, close even to the web address using Bush’s name, which could mislead many into feeling they were viewing the official site.

Parodies aren’t commonly outright lies, either.

Allow me to remind you, though, the “free speech” clause addresses congress not placing limitations on speech, which has been being done since the nation was formed.

Think not? Cry fire in a crowded theater or stand up in an airplane and begin praising Allah or screaming the wings are falling off. See how protected your speech is then.

Still, besides that, someone frustrated and agitated blurts something out and you all go out of your way to assign the meaning you wish to the words.

Ron Paul stood before the nation and basically blamed America for being attacked on 911 and you all cry we didn’t hear what we did. Even he tried to claim he didn’t say what he said, but we all heard it.

We didn’t cry he didn’t have the right to say it, just it disqualified him from holding high office in our estimation.

Not exactly the same as Bush’s frustrated comment, but shows the mind of the Ron Paulie’s in still pointing fingers at a man after he is out of office and burying their heads somewhere when a kook utters his own whiney frustrated words.

And for all the cries of “freedom loving conservatives,” coming out of the Paulies camp, we also hear a lot of restrictions wanted placed on specific groups of Americans.

So Dan, why not tell us all, are you an Anarchist or a Minarchist?


247 posted on 12/25/2009 3:45:37 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: 3boysdad

THIS Vietnam vet Marine’s got you covered. Just let me know. We ARE in this together and our Nation IS at stake here. Too bad some can’t understand that we have TWO domestic enemies: the current elite in power and the elite who paved the way for the Obambi crew... the Bushites and the McLame-ites. Their party is their whole identity and woe betide those who will not toe that line, whether members of the Party or not.

Merry CHRISTmas, my FRiend.


248 posted on 12/25/2009 3:46:02 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: dcwusmc
I don't recall actually saying this IS a Republican site, but a site known for where Republicans to hang out.

You think you have sole proprietorship over the constitution? Wrong. I took the same oath you did and stand up for the constitution.

You do not have the sole right to interpreting the constitution either. Nor do you acknowledge the several amendments legally placed with the constitution by the very method set in place by the writers of the constitution.

Paul seems to ignore that too.

No, I do not like all the amendments, but the country doesn't revolve around me, like Paulies think of themselves.

What steps are being taken by Paulies or Paul himself to repeal some amendments?

NONE!!!!!!!

Just whining and crying that they uphold the constitution.

So here is your chance. Outline for us all just which amendments you would repeal, how you would go about it and why they need repealed.

You ask why am I still in the party? Because I am working from within the party to change things, oust the RINO’s, minimize the moderates and promote conservative candidates.

What I don't do is stand alongside the party, bellyaching about it, downing it, condemning it and promote Campaign for Liberty to seize and take over the party and create Liberalism light rebranded as conservative.

Now, why do you worry about the Republican party instead of promoting your real party, Libertarian, which has never caught the public’s interest in nearly 40 years?

Just explain, none of you are Republicans, you claim. You say you left the party long ago and have embraced Libertarianism. So, why spend all your time condemning your former party instead of building your new party?

If you think parroting the anti-war leftists is conservatism, I feel real bad for you.

249 posted on 12/25/2009 3:57:26 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: dcwusmc

Amen brother! Merry CHRISTmas to you too.


250 posted on 12/25/2009 4:06:14 PM PST by 3boysdad (If you respond to my post without a profile I will claim you on my tax return.)
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To: rabscuttle385
I am especially enjoying the freedoms of not being able to rent a PO Box because I don't have a physical address (Patriot Act) and not being able to deposit or withdraw more than $3,000 in cash from my bank accounts without being reported to the fedguv (Bank Secrecy Act - a misnomer if I ever saw one).

Thank you, George W. Bush and a Republican Congress.

251 posted on 12/25/2009 5:20:42 PM PST by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Bokababe; Ol' Dan Tucker; rabscuttle385; DakotaRed; 3boysdad; stephenjohnbanker; hocndoc; ...
Merry Christmas too! We can and should debate specific issues with each other. It's healthy and necessary. But it's not necessary today. God bless you all.
252 posted on 12/25/2009 6:18:50 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: DakotaRed; dcwusmc
Just explain, none of you are Republicans, you claim. You say you left the party long ago and have embraced Libertarianism. So, why spend all your time condemning your former party instead of building your new party?

Your question answers itself. They have nothing to contribute apart from their sanctimonious pissing and moaning.

They're too absorbed in their delusional self importance to recognize that their constant whining is no more productive, and no less repellent, than masturbating in public.

253 posted on 12/25/2009 9:14:31 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: Stultis; DakotaRed

Well, well, nimrod and dufus... (you can figure out the order you wanna be in)... How lovely.

No, dufus, I am NOT a Libertarian, though I was once. But too many narrow-minded idiots (not unlike the two of you, for that matter) that wouldn’t hear anything bad said about their pet notions or candidates. Not enough about acting to preserve and protect the Constitution and the Republic. Again, kinda like you two jagoffs. And, no, I never WAS a Pubbie. My parents were. I have ALWAYS been one to want the CONSTITUTION restored to its rightful place as the supreme law of the land. I don’t know WHAT you want.

Now, for the trillionth time, I will state my position on the Constitution so that you will know beyond any doubt where I stand.

I believe that the Constitution is a pact made between We, the People, who are the SOURCE of all legitimate governmental authority, at all levels, and the Several States, to delegate certain, VERY LIMITED authority to a Central Government, in order to have it do certain, specified things in our names and on our behalf, things we could legitimately do for ourselves (since it is not possible to delegate to some second or third party an authority YOU YOURSELF do not possess), but would be better and more prudently done by that central government. I believe that We, the People, did NOT intend for this central government to grow like Topsy and become the all-pervasive entity that YOU seem to be cheering on. I believe that the People, being the SOURCE of the authority worn by FedGov, can use whatever means are necessary to REMOVE that much misused grant of authority.

Further, I believe that BOTH halves of the current ruling Party are culpable and guilty of usurping the power and authority of We, the People. and that simple-minded idiots (similar to, but not unlike the two I am addressing here) continue to cheer them on, as long as the right talisman is worn by the usurper.

I am, and have been for at least the past 20 years, a registered INDEPENDENT, not a member of ANY party, for NONE of them have shown me they are fully supportive of and committed to restoration of the Constitution.

Oh, and Stultis, ESAD, OK? Your post is probably one of the LEAST helpful of any I’ve read over the last six months.


254 posted on 12/25/2009 10:13:17 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: dcwusmc

Stop starching your underwear, it might improve your disposition.

In all your banal verbiage on the constitution, you still failed to consider or address the many amendments that were legally passed by methods set in place by the founding fathers.

Looking over your words, I am left wondering if you even realize what it is you want, other than to flap your gums.

As far as party’s go, like it or not, we are a two party system. Dozens of others exist, but they have little or no voice in the process with the 2 party system we have.

As we try to restore the minority party currently, to prevent more of a one party dictatorship we are currently under, we have to fend off leftist morons and holier than thou twits who parrot their positions and claims and only wish to run down that minority party.

I would just as soon do away with party’s myself, but that is what we have to work with.

All your ranting and raving does nothing to acomplish what you claim you wish. With what we have to work with, we need to work through one of the party’s to do just as you claim you want to see happen.

Instead, you do nothing but join in with running the minority party down, showing people it isn’t worth anything and allowing the current majority party to remain in a dictator position.

In my book, that makes you the nimrod or dufus. You can figure out which you are for yourself.


255 posted on 12/25/2009 11:52:54 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: dcwusmc
Oh. I didn't realize that you had such good intentions. What a fool I was. I take it all back. With such pure intentions, unsullied by unseemly efforts or expenditures to actually advance a political agenda, you surely must have "done" (by not doing) far more to effectuate limited and constitutional governance than any of us poor party hacks. Because, of course, having good intentions, and keeping them utterly pure, and never, ever comprising them by supporting a less than completely perfect party or candidate, is far more important than actually doing something.

I now see that I have been totally wrong in, for instance, applauding and encouraging Republican Senators filing motions and amendments challenging the Constitutionality of provisions in the Democrat's Health Care "Reform" bill. Obviously they only legitimize the process, in itself Unconstitutional, by doing so. Yes. Now I realize that Senator DeMint and others should have sat in unsullied silence. Unless they can formulate, and bring to the floor, a single amendment that makes everything right, all at once, and without a hint of compromise, they really shouldn't vote on anything.

Of course we'd have, in that case, fully government controlled health care, and ever other element of full bore socialism, in about seven nanoseconds. But at least we'd be PURE and UNCOMPROMISED in our INTENTIONS, which is what really matters. Heck, I will almost be able to smile as the jackboot stomps on my face forever.

256 posted on 12/26/2009 2:00:24 AM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: DakotaRed; dcwusmc
As far as party’s go, like it or not, we are a two party system...

As we try to restore the minority party currently...

Why?

So we can have a repeat performance of 2000-2008?

DC, it seems that DakotaRed and others here are suffering from a political "Stockholm syndrome"; no matter how badly the GOP beats them and abuses them, they will still vote GOP.

Fools.

257 posted on 12/26/2009 2:08:21 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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So we can have a repeat performance of 2000-2008?

Sure. That would be a helluva start.

Considering, on spending alone, it would reduce deficits by at least FIVE TIMES what they are going to be AT MINIMUM now. Probably more. (Wasn't Obama's deficit for the single month of October alone larger than all but one or two of Bush's annual deficits?)

And under Dubya, on taxes, we had the largest decreases since Reagan. Whereas, under Obama, we will have the largest tax increases since, well, since forever.

On the borders, even despite Dubya's overreaching attempt at a grand compromise on immigration reform, we had the tightest border control in the history of the nation. (Here in Texas, the fees coyotes charge for smuggling people across the Mexican border jumped from a couple hundred dollars to several thousand per individual.) We had more immigration enforcement raids under Bush than under any previous President, and more of them on the biggest and most politically influential employers of illegals (e.g. Tyson, Walmart).

Then there's judges, drilling and logging, government regulation, the list is endless.

Yeah. That would be a great start. PLEASE give me a repeat performance of 2000-2008.

258 posted on 12/26/2009 2:39:03 AM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: Sarabaracuda
After reading your past posts, I now realize you just hate Sarah.

I don't hate anyone, newbie.

Well, maybe McCain, but that's beside the point.

Now, if asking legitimate questions about Palin's affiliations and endorsements, namely her recent on-the-record commitment to support McCain in the 2010 Ariz. GOP Senate primary "100 percent," as well as her PAC's voluntary contributions to Graham, Hatch, Murkowski, and McCain, is considered "hate," then so be it.

259 posted on 12/26/2009 2:56:01 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Now, if asking legitimate questions about Palin’s affiliations and endorsements, namely her recent on-the-record commitment to support McCain in the 2010 Ariz. GOP Senate primary “100 percent,” as well as her PAC’s voluntary contributions to Graham, Hatch, Murkowski, and McCain, is considered “hate,” then so be it. “

Nobody has been able to get around the above stated facts, but you and I have been called every name in the book.....and a few not even IN the book ;-)


260 posted on 12/26/2009 4:08:01 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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