The rhetoric is to placate their base. Listen to what Harkin had to say about this just being the "starter home" to the mansion.
There won't be a Bluedog who survives if they vote for this Bill.
Who really knows? And why would the Blue Dogs, many of whom voted for the stimulus package and cap and trade think that voting for this bill will hurt them any worse than voting against it? Sen Burris said the choice is between hanging together or separately. And the Dem leadership can threaten them by having them challenged in the primary, cutting off campaign money, and changing committee assignments. The Dems control the House 262-178.
I believe the hostility to this Bill is real and all we need is a 5 vote swing in the House to kill it. My bet is that it doesn't even get out of committee. The Senate version would never pass the House.
You are wrong on all counts. The Senate version will be the main one with a few tweaks. Pelosi can get through anything she wants. She will allow some Dems to vote no for their protection and cover. It is all orchestrated behind the scenes. They don't bring anything up for a vote unless they know the votes beforehand.
Obamacare must pass for the Dems. They have too much invested in its passage including the rest of Obama's agenda. Once the framework is passed, the bill can be changed and modified to suit the needs of the base. For the Dems, failure is not an option. With such overwhelming majorities in both Houses, they must pass as much as they can before the midterms. With Obama in the WH, none of this stuff can be repealed or pushed back. The Reps won't have veto proof majorities even under the most rosy scenarios.
The rhetoric is to placate their base. Listen to what Harkin had to say about this just being the "starter home" to the mansion.
Neither the pro-life people or the public-option people are going to be 'placated' by a yes vote on this Bill.
Both groups have strong views on the issue.
There won't be a Bluedog who survives if they vote for this Bill.
Who really knows? And why would the Blue Dogs, many of whom voted for the stimulus package and cap and trade think that voting for this bill will hurt them any worse than voting against it? Sen Burris said the choice is between hanging together or separately. And the Dem leadership can threaten them by having them challenged in the primary, cutting off campaign money, and changing committee assignments. The Dems control the House 262-178.
Well, on one hand, we are told that the Bluedogs were given 'cover' and that is why the first vote was so close, but on the other hand they are going to now vote 'yes' on a Bill that doesn't even contain a strong pro-life provision?
I don't say that Pelosi won't twist arms, but the fact is that the Senate version is not acceptable to to many House members to survive a simple up or down vote.
[ I believe the hostility to this Bill is real and all we need is a 5 vote swing in the House to kill it. My bet is that it doesn't even get out of committee. The Senate version would never pass the House. ]
You are wrong on all counts. The Senate version will be the main one with a few tweaks. Pelosi can get through anything she wants. She will allow some Dems to vote no for their protection and cover. It is all orchestrated behind the scenes. They don't bring anything up for a vote unless they know the votes beforehand.
Well, Pelosi can't get through anything she wants when she is opposed by major sections of her own Party.
And you are correct, nothing will be voted on unless they have the votes, that is why I believe it won't be brought back to voted on in the House, it will die in conference.
And the Senate version if changed at all, can be blocked again in the Senate.
As this Bill gets to be more known, the opposition will increase, not decrease.
Obamacare must pass for the Dems. They have too much invested in its passage including the rest of Obama's agenda. Once the framework is passed, the bill can be changed and modified to suit the needs of the base. For the Dems, failure is not an option. With such overwhelming majorities in both Houses, they must pass as much as they can before the midterms. With Obama in the WH, none of this stuff can be repealed or pushed back. The Reps won't have veto proof majorities even under the most rosy scenarios.
The Democrats will not have the House after 2010 if they pass the Senate version unchanged.
Many House members know that.
Obama isn't growing more popular and each House member knows he is the one who has face the voters wrath in Nov, not Obama.
As this Bill gets pushed back into Feb and March and more details come out, it will break into pieces and die.
The Senate health care bill is dead on arrival in the House of Representatives unless major changes are made, including removal of special “carve outs” for Medicaid funding for certain states and inclusion of language barring taxpayer-funded health plans that cover abortions, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) told CNSNews.com on Tuesday.
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