Eyewitness: How China sabotaged climate talks

Australian Broadcasting Corporation ^ | December 23, 2009

[dennisw]

The sum of your post is that China lives in the real world of making useful tangible items as the way to prosperity. This practical thinking extends to them seeing through the global warming scam and giving it no respect

In contrast America thinks prosperity comes through shuffling financial assets, flippping houses and government takeover of the health care system and BULLSHIT green jobs. America and Europe also buy into the white liberal guilt hokum of global warming where our prosperity is a sin against planet earth and the brown peoples in the 3rd world. This is the magical thinking of silly atheists

China India and Brazil are realists and up and comers. Brazil is commie ruled but enviro-wackos are repressed there. Are shoved out of the way as Brazil explores for oil and does other un-green things to try to develope their economy

[aruanan]

The truth is this: China wrecked the talks, intentionally humiliated Barack Obama, and insisted on an awful 'deal' so Western leaders would walk away carrying the blame.

Thanks, China, for helping us forestall something that would be unimaginably bad for our economies in the West, but in the end we'll still beat you.

[paudio]

I don’t understand this. If some Western countries wanted to unilaterally announce some target, what exactly prevented them to do so?

[myknowledge]

Not only that, Obama is being treated by the ChiComs as a toy, as a plaything, as a punching bag.

[Nobel_1]

Re: China India and Brazil are realists and up and comers

yep. I guess I’m also tempted to put Russia in the mix as well.

Zero’s reign of terror could accelerate in January with EPA’s first GHG command-and-control edicts ...

[Oztrich Boy]

“Dashed cunning, these Orientals!”

[SmokingJoe]

“I, for one, wish to congratulate and thank the Chinese government.”

Same here.
Hearty congratulations are in order to the People's Republic of China, for saving mankind from an economic catastrophe, brought on by the gloBULL warming fraudsters, and for very cleverly making 0bozo the fall guy(if that is true).

[myknowledge]

Disagreements. Rifts. Self-interests. It’s all branded a failure.

[Oratam]

Remember, China ALWAYS acts out of self-interest. They were NOT going to agree to anything that hampered their economy. On top of that, they wanted to block anything that would kill OUR economy because a broke America can’t make good on its massive debt.

The Beijing delagation was there representing what Niall Ferguson refers to as Chimerica. Obama was there represeting Soros, Strong, Gore, Sec. Gen. Moon, Ed Begley, Jr. etc.

[AU72]

China’s version of Chicago style politics, screw them before they screw you.

[mo]

Looks to me like the Premier “did sex” to Obama

http://www.danwei.org/featured_video/saturday_night_live_on_obama_v.php

[Nobel_1]

Re: Chimerica

good one! How true.

[norwaypinesavage]

"No-one else, perhaps with the exceptions of India and Saudi Arabia, wanted this to happen,"

and me.

[Oztrich Boy]

And a big bit is payback for ObiWankaNewbie barging into a meeting of the G4 as if his skin colour entitled him to be there.

[dennisw]

Russia too...the BRIC nations
But Russia has population decline problems which China India and Brazil do not have. Russia has plenty of oil, nat gas and gold but a diminishing population with too many male alcoholic fools

[TennesseeProfessor]

"The Chinese premier, Wen Jinbao, did not deign to attend the meetings personally, instead sending a second-tier official in the country's foreign ministry to sit opposite Obama himself," he said. "The diplomatic snub was obvious and brutal, as was the practical implication: several times during the session, the world's most powerful heads of state were forced to wait around as the Chinese delegate went off to make telephone calls to his 'superiors'."

Egads! I have virtually no negotiating experience but even I could have avoided that slipup. When he leaves to make a phone call, very very politely remind him that the Premier is invited to participate in the talks directly. And when he comes back, say something like "While you were gone, the rest of us decided on A, B, and C". Obama can't force the Premier to come. But he has absolute control over whether he waits around for a subordinate. (Or bursts angrily into a room as was reported elsewhere).

Similarly, if I were willing to sell out America, I could have come up with much better than Obama did. Up to and including "Sadly, the world political will is lacking at this point in time -- but the issue is so vital that the US can not afford to wait for political consenses. Therefore, by Executive Order, I have decided the US will unilaterally do ..."

[Brouhaha]

I think the Chinese government couldn’t care less about embarrassing the Kenyan Muslim. Rather, I suspect they are trying to pull the globull warming economic shotgun out of our mouths so that we’ll keep paying on our loans until they reach full solvency as the dominant super power in the world.

[palmer]

I suspect they are trying to pull the globull warming economic shotgun out of our mouths so that we’ll keep paying on our loans

Usually the simplest explanation is the correct one.

[FormerACLUmember]

Who thought we would ever see the day when:

- China takes stronger capitalist pro-growth actions than the US during the mini-depression, and sees a much faster recovery

- China maintains a strong pro-manufacturing, pro-jobs economy while the US sheds jobs and continues to penalize manufacturing

- China gets it right on enviro-terrorism while the US passes the greens billions in new cash and new squeaky toys

- China aggressively runs around the globe locking-in future fossil energy positions at the lowest costs in decades (while the US sits on its hands and scuttles nearly all new coal fired electric plants because of regulatory uncertainty)

Now tell me, which nation is capitalist? Which nation has the biggest political risks when it comes to 30-40 year energy decisions?

BRILLIANT COMMENTS!

[DarkSavant]

Even worse, they’re playing “Go”.