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GW Bush: "There is no [conservative] movement...I redefined the Republican Party"

Questions about Bush's conservative principles

1 posted on 12/22/2009 7:29:28 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Without Jorge bush there would not have been a hussein obama. Other than the war I could not agree more with this article.


43 posted on 12/22/2009 8:11:59 PM PST by strongbow
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I see you and the Democrats are still campaigning against GW Bush. That and trying to rally people against Sarah Palin, whom you claim is nothing more than ‘McCain in a skirt’.


44 posted on 12/22/2009 8:12:23 PM PST by death2tyrants
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author is a jackass. This the Liberals fault. This is the “moderate” Democrats fault. This is a socialist agenda. It’s people like this author who stayed home at election time and allowed the Liberals to take over in the first place.


45 posted on 12/22/2009 8:12:34 PM PST by Rosemont
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Is this the Dem strategy for November 2010 that we were reading about.... the one where, despite controlling all branches of the Federal Government and don’t have any achievments that they can refer to, they campaign for re-election by comparing themselves to Bush and his henchmen? I think a better, more positive strategy for their 2010 campaign ads would be to show each Dem candidate standing side by side with President Obama and his shiny golden Nobel coin necklace.


50 posted on 12/22/2009 8:20:54 PM PST by purplelobster
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To: rabscuttle385
GWB can be blamed for many things, but Bush's war against terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq is not one of them. There would be no economic market left if the followers of Mohamed had their way. No child left behind was an attempt to put some accountability in education. There is a reason that the NEA supports Democrats, and it is not because they care about children. The economic recession was caused by the liberals in Congress, not GWB. Does the author of this diatribe against Bush ignore facts on purpose, or does he just hate Bush?
52 posted on 12/22/2009 8:21:00 PM PST by Nosterrex
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The real culprits are two Republicans who ran the show the previous eight
years: George W. Bush and his “master political strategist” Karl Rove.

That’s too simplistic.
Blame Dubya for keeping us safe without (a known) terrorist attack
on Americans (in the USA or abroad, outside of Iraq and Afghanistan)
following the harrowing events of 9-11?
Not me.
Dubya could have been tougher and pushed forward an attempt to fix
Social Security (which I never expect to see ONE PENNY of).
He could have told Rove “That illegal immigration problem can be fixed
by the next President/House/Senate.”

The real culprits (IMHO)?
The stinker Republicans in the House and Senate.
Having watched Jim Talent run one of the limpest Senatorial campaigns
against Clair McCaskill in Missouri in 2006...the Republicans
were simply wimpy and thus lost their seats in 2006.
And let the Democratic tidal wave wash over Washington, D.C.

I know that’s cruel. Jim Talent was a decent guy. But he and a load
of Republicans let themselves be “rolled” in 2006.
And now we suffer for it. Even if we called our Republican Senators
and Reps and said “FIGHT BACK, D-MMIT!!!”.
Instead they played the “Gentleman” politician role. And lost.
And now we’ll pay for it.

Until Election Day November 2010.


53 posted on 12/22/2009 8:22:28 PM PST by VOA
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Hindsight is 20/20. Let's examine some of these points.

1. •the undeclared and costly War in Iraq and its stepchild the unconstitutional Patriot Act.

Let's put the blame on Al Qaeda for triggering an inernational crisis that the USA was forced to respond to. Should we have folded like Spain? What should we have done to root out Al Qaeda cells that may have already been here, given that the 9/11 terrorists had been here since 1998, getting training from our own flight schools?

•the monstrous No Child Left Behind Act that dramatically increased federal intervention in private education.
Ted Kennedy was the "bipartisan" co-sponsor of this. Should Kennedy share the blame for this, or was Bush/Rove suckered by a wiley Kennedy into doing something ultimately damaging to the country? If so, then what was Kennedy's motive?

•the Prescription Drug Act that gave the American people another benefit-corrupted entitlement and unfunded liability.

This was a politically motivated out-flanking move against the AARP alliance with Democrats during an election year. So what else is new? Can we list past actions in the same vein?

•the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, largely due to their failure to reform government-sponsored agencies Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.
This is the same Fannie and Freddie that Democrats swore were healthy and blocked all attempts at reform?

-PJ

55 posted on 12/22/2009 8:23:26 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To accept the premise of this sophistry is to accept that Americans are so truly brain dead as to be DemocRATS for ever. I can’t wait for the sequel of how he blames the media for the election of Sarah Palin.


56 posted on 12/22/2009 8:25:31 PM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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“...nor the American people who elected them”

I disagree. The American People, comfortable in their sofas, in front of their 42” screens, behind the computer, ensconced in excellent housing, recipients of fine medical care....sat back while the termites ate at the foundation, paid little attention when “their” Senators and congresscritters slowly morphed into employees of Wall St. Investment Banks...and stopped minding the store in general. The consequence of such neglect is that we are one election away from having to resort to the Second Ammendment option to clean house.


68 posted on 12/22/2009 8:44:03 PM PST by mo
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I couldn't agree with the author more.

Dubya and his idot Rove were the worst thing to happen to the Republican party in my lifetime.

70 posted on 12/22/2009 8:46:28 PM PST by Rum Tum Tugger
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A very narrow, and somewhat myopic view of reality.


72 posted on 12/22/2009 8:52:20 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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AMEN!!! Please do not forget that Bush worked with the Democrats to force amnesty for over 21 million illegal aliens on the American people. The man is like his father, a globhalist. To my way of thinking that makes him a traitor.


85 posted on 12/22/2009 9:43:30 PM PST by SkipW
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Thank’s for reminding me why I don’t like Bush (and his allies): in leiu of Obama, it’s easy to forget!


88 posted on 12/22/2009 10:20:23 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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BUSH IS A RINO;

Have we forgotton because it was such a long time ago, or is it just because Obama is so much worse?

A year ago I was constantly hearing on this forum of the corruption/liberal policies of GWB from average freepers..now you want to defend him?

The author is right on, on the points (about GWBs expansion of “Big-Government” which would be socialism/liberalism)?

I challenge any one of you defending him to disprove the author on point.


89 posted on 12/22/2009 10:24:48 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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So.....we are back to “It’s Bush’s fault?” =.=


96 posted on 12/22/2009 11:27:11 PM PST by cranked
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Instead of blaming Bush for having made Obama possible, why not blame Clinton/Nader for having made Bush possible?

And then blame Bush I/Perot for making Clinton possible?

And then blame Reagan for making Bush I possible?

And then you get to Carter.

IT’S JIMMY’S FAULT!!


109 posted on 12/23/2009 2:52:02 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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Ah yes, I knew it would somehow end up Bush’s fault. What weak minded people.


110 posted on 12/23/2009 3:17:24 AM PST by McGavin999
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“The real culprits are ... “ Gee, the 60 million who voted for Obama, the 60 Senators who voted for it, the liberals who wrote the bill, Pelosi and Reid and Obama who gangpressed congress to pass it, and the lamestream media who promoted the idea for years had nothing to do with it?

You might as well blame the American people for falling for this.


122 posted on 12/23/2009 6:32:33 AM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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In one way, Bush and Rove are certainly to blame. Anyone remember this?

“Arlen is with us when we need him”

Those words were spoken by President Bush, with support from PA Senator Rick Santorum, during the 2004 PA GOP Senate Primary against conservative Pat Toomey. The support of Bush/Rove/Santorum was instrumental in dragging the senior senator from PA’s carcass across the finish line with a 51-49 victory.

For those of you with short memories, that is Arlen Specter (D) - who in the past year was the 60th and decisive vote for BOTH Porkulus and Obamacare.

Bush IS ultimately responsible - just not in the way the author argues. If the GOP had stayed the hell out of PA in 2004, Senator Toomey would have cast the death blow vote against both Obaminations. Instead, it has been all downhill ever since (we had 55 GOP senators in 2004).

The GOP koolaid drinkers all seem to conveniently forget this.

Bush/Rove/Santorum - never, ever forget...


136 posted on 12/23/2009 7:11:25 AM PST by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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1. Blaming Bush for ObamaScare is a lot like excusing Obama’s spending by calling Bush a big spender. Bush’s spending was like a kid playing with matches but Obama burned the house down.

2. I also find it odd that anyone would blame Bush/Rove for anything without also casting big stones at Hasstert/Frist. Bush could not have enacted much without their blindly loyal support.


140 posted on 12/23/2009 7:24:46 AM PST by 19zulu (Reparations? Try 600,000 dead Americans.)
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