Senate still needs 60 votes for cloture on Obamacare even after House-Senate "conference"

RCP ^ | 12-20-2009 | Out of control Mod

[Admin Moderator]

Pass it on!

[MHGinTN]

I would prefer that a VW sized meteor strike DC during a joint session, to them out of our misery! Failing that, vote them all out that we can get to ... there are scum sitting seats protected by stupid voters with welfare-itis.

[mad_as_he$$]

Yes, they are trying to regulate the HC industry but they will use the commerce clause as well as the “general welfare” clause to do it. I read ALL of the House bill. There is a great amount of verbage talking about the “inequities” from State to State but that a person can travel from one State to another where there different licensing requirements not being an “equatable” system. They are also trying to use the fact that drugs and equipment are made in one State and therefore they can control how it is used in another one. Real stretch and expansion of many things already decided by SCOTUS. It is such a tangled web it will take years to even sort out.

[my small voice]

So let’s make him!

[Hostage]

Tell that to the tea party organizers, the 9/12 project, Tea Party Nation, Tea Party Patriots, Patriotic Resistance etc... because they aren't doing what you suggest but somehow membership is growing by leaps and bounds.

Where we disconnected was that I was thinking that an existing protest network such as you mentioned would have a subnetwork or link for members to 'pledge' a specific act of CD, and where they could do so semi-privately, where their profile information such as email address, city or town and state, age, occupation, gender etc. but not name and street address, would be known to the network's secure database .

Once a targeted number of Americans were pledged to engage in CD, and allowing for a percentage who get cold feet, then an act of CD would be transmitted as an alert and call to action. THEN the people who would commit the CD would snap into action and highly likely avoid arrest because of the shear numbers.

How this is different than say Tea Party Nation or Patriotic Resistance etc. is that these former are now in the open and could be shutdown with the leaders arrested. By arresting such leaders on conspiracy to violate law such as 'WITHHOLD YOUR X FROM SUCH AND SUCH', the organization and its intended CD is effectively neutered.

Whereas a secure CD subnetwork could avoid shutdown because its location, its alternative or multinous means of transmission and its operators would be anonymous, such a network and the members pledged on it for CD would be difficult to shutdown.

Get it?

For example, if a secure CD network were to issue a call to 'WITHHOLD YOUR X FROM SUCH AND SUCH', how would fascist authority respond if the numbers were in the tens of millions? They would be overwhelmed. Yes, they might discover the identity of each CD member but they would be powerless to prosecute all. They would perhaps attempt to make examples of a select few. so some of those engaging in CD would risk being part of such 'examples'. But overall the secure CD movement would be a success. Success would embolden others and the CD movement would grow.

If the X in 'WITHHOLD YOUR X' of the CD action was $$$ related, the credit printing arm of the fascist authority could counter the CD effects, for awhile. One could speculate that a warning compliance letter could be sent to each of the tens of millions that have 'WITHHELD X', but due process (if still exists) would allow 90 days to respond, and perhaps a year before court action was initiated, or more with the shear numbers. Such time would allow for elections to possibly remove fascist authority and overturn the unjust law, granting reprieve and amnesty to CD members.

[Hostage]

You may be right but I think your point is weak or incomplete. The national insurers such as United Healthcare (which BTW I do not like so much but would back their right to remain free of federal government interference), such insurers transact business and direct products across state lines, although they must comply with state regulations.

But I think an argument can be made that such national insurers are subject to ICC because of their multistate presence.

[cookcounty]

If we can stall for 10 1/2 months, according to Colorado law, because he was appointed, Michael Bennet loses his seat immediately upon certification of next November's election (and Bennet is going to BURN). No more 60.

[mad_as_he$$]

For your review.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/58937

Told ya.