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To: Huck

You haven’t read statements by the Founding Fathers have you. You are giving government powers that it doesn’t have. And we are done.


120 posted on 12/19/2009 10:53:56 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
You haven’t read statements by the Founding Fathers have you. You are giving government powers that it doesn’t have. And we are done.

I most definitely have. Like Antifederalist 39, Antifederalist 78-84. Patrick Henry's speeches at the Virginia Convention. Various other statements made by great patriots who had the good sense to OPPOSE the Constitution. Hell, check my tagline. Check my profile page for a couple of good quotes, one from a delegate to the Constitutional Convention.

You say I give to the government powers it doesn't have. Do I? Let's observe the government in practice and see. Let's review SCOTUS case law all the way back to Marbury, and see who's right and who's wrong.

230 posted on 12/19/2009 12:38:08 PM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: DJ MacWoW
You haven’t read statements by the Founding Fathers have you.

One more point. The "statements" of the "founding fathers" mean nothing. There is nothing in the Constitution that says any statement by any founder has any weight. All that matters is what the Constitution actually says, and how the powers created by it function.

Look at my tagline. That's a quote from a "founding father." A great American patriot. Should his thoughts have less weight than, say, Alexander Hamilton's? On what legal basis?

The Consitutional Convention was held in secret. They weren't allowed to publish their notes until after ratification. Madison didn't publish is until after his death. Therefore, their thoughts have no bearing, because the people, when they ratified the Constitution, were not aware of their thoughts.

The Federalist Papers? OK, but what legal basis is there for giving them more weight than the ANTI-federalist papers? And since they contradict, which one should be supreme?

Nope. At the end of the day, all that matters is what the Constitution says, and how it functions in reality. We've got 200 years of data, and I think it speaks pretty loudly.

240 posted on 12/19/2009 1:06:32 PM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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