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To: SnakeDoctor
The Vatican is a large, centralized, detatched, global religious authority ...

How can you say that? It's an observation, but I'm afraid you're biased. The Vatican, the Holy See, and the Magisterium have authority over CATHOLICS, but not over a secular global population. And Catholics are free to leave if they so desire [although it appears that those who might be best served by leaving think they can change The Church, which they cannot]. As for "detached" they strive now, more than ever, to remain closely attached to Scripture and Tradition. They're "detached" in your opinion, perhaps. But "detached" from whom or what?

The Catholic Church has a rich and vivid history which I invite you to read.
12 posted on 12/17/2009 7:50:59 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Abortion-Euthanasia kills the very people for whom Social Justice is needed.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Detatched from their parishoners. How many Catholics have even seen the pope, or spoken with anyone in the highest echelons of the Cathlic church? In that sense, it is as detatched as government from Washington. I am aware that Catholicism is voluntary, and in that respect it is very different from a government. I am also aware that Catholicism was never intended to be democratic in nature.

My point was not that the Catholic church and government are precisely analogous ... my point was that the Vatican arguing in favor of decentralized, localized authority is at least a bit ironic. Decentralized Christianity is basically Protestantism — which is much more local, and much more democratic than Catholicism (regardless of whether you think that’s a good thing or a bad thing).

I do not deny a bias, just as I am sure you would not deny a bias on this subject. Like you, my opinions of the Catholic church were not set by this particular observation alone. I am not Catholic, and I have disagreements with the heirarchical nature of Catholicism. You are Catholic, and thus likely enthusiastically approve of the structure of the Church. I am not anti-Catholic — but I am Protestant for a reason, just as you are Catholic for a reason.

Fundamentally — it was just an ironic observation about how this doctrine applies to the structure of the church itself.

SnakeDoc


13 posted on 12/18/2009 6:33:16 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Ask not for a lighter burden, but for broader shoulders.")
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