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To: Chunga; roamer_1; AuntB; DoughtyOne; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; bamahead; djsherin; ..
And this is all anybody on this forum needs to know about you.

Ain't it funny how you omitted the cogent reasons I gave, in order to make me look bad?

I'll repeat them again, highlighting them in bold red and in a larger font size, for your benefit.

If Jim Robinson wants to support Sarah Palin, that is his own right.

However, I can not in good conscience support her, for three reasons: one, her deeply questionable interview with Univision last fall; two, her PAC's contributions to McCain's primary and general election accounts, especially since McCain's 2010 campaign donated $142,950 to The Tarrence Group (see post #28), which conducted a recent push poll on behalf of a GOP organization linked to McCain supporters in which McCain attempted to smear J.D. Hayworth, even though he is not even a declared candidate in the Arizona 2010 Senate GOP primary at this time; and three, this article, in which she is on the record as supporting McCain's re-election "100 percent."

Chunga, what you are is a plain fool.

Every single post of mine contains not a single attempt at rationally rebutting the facts I present but rather attempts at attempting to discredit my message by personally attacking me, largely due to my age.

Now, since in one of your many past posts to me--I don't remember which--you claimed to be much older than me, I'm going to put this very bluntly.

On 30 June 1948, likely when you were my age or younger, the U.S. public debt totaled $252,292,246,512.99.

That's two hundred and fifty-two billion, two-hundred and ninety-two million, two hundred and forty-six thousand, five hundred and twelve dollars, and change, in nominal 1948 U.S. dollars.

On 30 September 2008, just over fifty years later, as the "compassionate conservative" Bush was nearing the end of his administration, the total U.S. public debt totaled $10,024,724,896,912.49.

That's ten trillion, twenty-four billion, seven hundred and twenty-four million, eight hundred and ninety-six thousand, nine hundred and twelve dollars, and change, in nominal 2008 U.S. dollars.

During those fifty or so years, the Republican Party controlled the 80th Congress (+6 Senate/+58 House) from 1947 to 1949, the 83rd Congress (+2 Senate/+9 House) from 1953 to 1955, the 97th Senate (+7) from 1981 to 1983, the 98th Senate (+8) from 1983 to 1985, and the 99th Senate (+6) from 1985 to 1987.

From 1995 to 2007, the Republican Party controlled the entire Congress (104th +4 Senate/+26 House, 105th +10 Senate/+19 House, 106th +10 Senate/+12 House, 107th tie Senate/+9 House, 108th +3 Senate/+24 House, 109th +9 Senate/+29 House) with the exception of part of the 107th Senate after Jeffords effectively defected to the Democratic Party caucus.

So the spending can't entirely be blamed on Democrats.

Oh, and before you castigate me for citing Wikipedia, those figures are taken originally from the official Web sites of the United States Senate and of the United States House of Representatives.

As for George W. Bush, for a "compassionate conservative," he--and a Republican Congress--nearly doubled the national debt in nominal dollars over the first seven of his eight years in office.

On 30 September 2001, just over nine months after he took office and nineteen days after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the total U.S. public debt was $5,807,463,412,200.06.

On 30 September 2008, as he, Paulson, and McCain were busy joining with the Democrats to roll out a bipartisan bailout of greedy New York bankers, the total U.S. public debt was $10,024,724,896,912.49.

The oft-cited conservative argument that the Bush tax cuts increased Federal revenue actually makes Bush look even worse, since the increased Federal revenue was spent before the Bush administration, coupled with a Republican Congress from 1995 to 2007, started borrowing like rabid squirrels that only realized a need to hoard for the winter the day before the first December snowstorm was to begin.

Under no Republican executive, post-FDR, has the total U.S. public debt EVER decreased.

In fact, the last Republican executive to preside over a decrease in U.S. public debt was Calvin Coolidge, Ronald Reagan's hero.

And before you try to hide yourself behind Reagan, note this: at least he was facing a Democratic-controlled House, the margins of Republican control in the Senate during his administration were slimmer than under that of Bush, and his administration actually had to rattle sabers with a REAL foreign power, not a bunch of kooks in the desert who have weapons because the U.S. either armed them directly (as a means of jabbing the now-extinct U.S.S.R.) or indirectly (through payment for energy resources obtained within their lands because the U.S. was too much of a p*ssy to exploit its own resources).

Now, the fact of the matter is that you go around FR pushing the Republican Party when it hasn't done a damn thing since Coolidge to actually reduce the Federal debt, Federal spending, or Federal subjugation of the States and of the individual American, asides from occasionally posturing or reciting platitudes about doing so.

The Republican Party had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity from 2000 to 2007 to make good on its promises to America and to actually uphold its "certain fundamental beliefs" but instead, it chose to turn into Democrat Lite.

The Republican Party squandered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to return America to its libertarian conservative roots, betrayed the various States and the People that make up this Republic...and for what? Nothing!

So whenever you or the rest of knee-jerk partisan RINO pushers want to hurl invectives and blame me for the Republican Party's troubles today, why don't you look in a mirror first? After all, you've been around far longer than I have and the majority of that U.S. public debt was incurred on YOUR watch and long before I even turned eighteen and acquired the right to vote.

As for Sarah Palin, if she wants to throw in her lot with the traitorous Republican Party establishment, including crooked bastards like McCain, then let her explain to her children why she feels the need to defend, apologize for, and promote the very same people who enslaved them.

Because that's what the U.S. public debt is.

It's an obligation placed upon future generations of American taxpayers WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT by their forebears.

And involuntary obligations are otherwise known as...SLAVERY.

And the Republicans who for years have claimed to fight for a smaller and Constitutional Federal government, yet idly stood by the Democrats kept expanding it, or even joined in with the Democrats, or even dare to attempt to whitewash history by defending, apologizing for, and promoting those Republicans, are just as guilty as any of the Democrats or the Republicans who directly perpetrated slavery upon future generations of Americans.

In conclusion: you can take your RINO Party mugs, your witless insults, and your sliced cheeses and meats and shove them all right where the Sun doesn't shine, because if you think I'm going to support by default the very same party that just betrayed me...

YOU'RE WRONG.


436 posted on 12/17/2009 9:09:20 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Chunga; roamer_1; AuntB; DoughtyOne; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; bamahead; djsherin; ..
Oh, and for the record, as well as for the informational purposes of all, including Chunga, being pinged:

There was a very curious fact that I overlooked.

Like George W. Bush, Calvin Coolidge faced a Republican-controlled Congress during his entire term from 1923 to 1929.

The Republican Party controlled the 68th (+9 Senate/+118 House), the 69th (+14 Senate/+64 House), and the 70th (+1 Senate/+42 House) Congresses, from 1923 to 1929.

And, the U.S. public debt decreased from $22 billion in the summer of 1923 to $17 billion in the summer of 1929, after Coolidge had left office.

These figures, in addition to other verifiable facts about Coolidge's administration (like the fact that he and the Republican Congress cut taxes three times--in 1924, 1926, and 1928--in addition to spending cuts and debt retirements...in the middle of the Prohibition, i.e., the 1920s equivalent of today's War on Drugs), speaks volumes.

YES, VOLUMES.

And, it only serves to bolster my claim that

The Republican Party squandered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to return America to its libertarian conservative roots, betrayed the various States and the People that make up this Republic...and for what? Nothing!


438 posted on 12/17/2009 9:26:36 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

Not you too Rabs?!!! ;)

Anyway, I’m not as quick to judge Sarah Palin. Maybe you need to bring me up to speed on all of this Tarrence stuff...but I take it as she feels a loyalty to McCain because he brought her out on the national stage.

I haven’t seen anything McCain’esque from her yet that has turned my nose to her as a RINO. If she’s giving him money, it’s that loyalty. I simply can’t fault her for it just yet. Maybe I’m too soft :o

If she starts mirroring his behavior, well that would be different...completely.


439 posted on 12/17/2009 9:30:55 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: rabscuttle385; All
(SNIP)The Republican Party had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity from 2000 to 2007 to make good on its promises to America and to actually uphold its "certain fundamental beliefs" but instead, it chose to turn into Democrat Lite.

(SNIP)In conclusion: you can take your RINO Party mugs, your witless insults, and your sliced cheeses and meats and shove them all right where the Sun doesn't shine, because if you think I'm going to support by default the very same party that just betrayed me...

YOU'RE WRONG

What Rabs said goes for me, too. Well, ok, it really isn't necessary to slice up the baloney first before you shove it.

454 posted on 12/17/2009 11:56:37 PM PST by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters, now.)
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To: rabscuttle385; Chunga
Quick edit for your statement to Chunga, you said:

"Every single post of mine contains not a single attempt at rationally rebutting the facts I present but rather attempts at attempting to discredit my message by personally attacking me, largely due to my age."

I believe you intended to say:

"Every single post of yours (meaning Chunga) contains not a single attempt at rationally rebutting the facts I present but rather attempts at attempting to discredit my message by personally attacking me, largely due to my age."

Have a good day.
456 posted on 12/18/2009 1:26:17 AM PST by mkjessup (Dec 18, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama travels to Tokyo to pay homage to Emperor Hirohito.)
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