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To: Eric Blair 2084
There is more to this story than the populist torches and pitchforks story WaPo is reporting. And I'm no fan of either.

You are right, there is. Since it would be silly for the government to tax itself, the pro rata part of Citi that will be owned by the "government" - after the conversion of debt into shares - will not be taxed on its profits, thus "giving up billions in tax money", in WaPo vernacular.

US Forgoes Billions in Tax on Citi - CNBC staff and wire reports, 2009 December 15


25 posted on 12/16/2009 1:29:31 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy; Eric Blair 2084
In addition, there are FASB and IRS change of control (ownership) rules that prevent portions of NOLs (non-operating losses) being realized in M&A transactions, which formerly made companies with large NOLs attractive merger targets for profitable companies, to shelter / offset future profits :

"This rule was designed to stop corporate raiders from using shell losses to evade taxes, and was never intended to address the unprecedented situation where the government owned share in banks."

... under normal IRS rules, a change in control would have sharply reduced the amount the company could shelter from taxes.

26 posted on 12/16/2009 1:39:56 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
Pretending that non-existent taxes on profits that aren't profits and never were nor ever were going to be, are "lost revenue", is complete lying start to finish. Once again all we have here is more proof that any lie will be believed if it smears anyone connected to finance.

The treasury is going to make money, net, on all of its dealings with Citigroup. It has not lost a dime to date and it isn't going to. Magical mystery accounting of fantasy wealth Citi was supposed to pay the treasury if trees grew to the sky are not "revenue". Investment in Citi stock, preferred or common, are not "losses".

But everyone wants to hate these people, so they make up any lie they can at the precise moment their thesis is collapsing, because the treasury is being repaid by private money.

It is sickening that people pretending to be conservatives are in any way connected with this. It is all transparent lies and slander, start to finish. Ask any of them to state the amount that the US treasury has lost on TARP for banks, or Citi specifically. They can't, they are practicing not even one entry accounting, but pure make believe accounting.

34 posted on 12/17/2009 2:11:18 PM PST by JasonC
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