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3 Providence officers wounded in drug raid in West End
Providence Journal ^ | 12/15/09 | Sraff

Posted on 12/14/2009 10:23:37 PM PST by AtlasStalled

Three police officers were shot early Monday evening and a suspect injured during a drug raid at 12 Hollis St. in the city’s West End, the police said.

Police Chief Dean M. Esserman said the officers were wearing coats and jackets labeled Providence Police and were making a forced entry at an address for which they had a search warrant. Two were shot just as they crossed the threshold, Esserman said from Rhode Island Hospital, where the police were gathering in droves in a show of respect for their injured colleagues.

(Excerpt) Read more at projo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: lping; noknockraids; wod; wosd
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The drug traffickers are getting more and more violent, and increasingly are responding to police with guns. Whether one thinks drugs should be legalized or not, the fact is that they are illegal and police officers are getting shot in enforcing the law. If we are going to have a war on drugs, then let's treat it as such and crack down once and for all on the scumbags who are shooting to defend their so-called rights to traffic illegal substances.
1 posted on 12/14/2009 10:23:37 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

If your going to break down someone’s door, you should expect to get shot...


2 posted on 12/14/2009 10:26:05 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene

And if someone shoots a police officer for executing a valid search warrant in connection with scumbags selling illegal drugs, then the shooter should expect to go away for a very long time


3 posted on 12/14/2009 10:29:15 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled
If we are going to have a war on drugs, then let's treat it as such...

My friend, with the amount of freedoms we have lost already in this "War On (Some) Drugs", the last thing you want is the police... local, state or other wise treating anything even remotely close to a war.

4 posted on 12/14/2009 10:29:36 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: AtlasStalled

“scumbags”

Even scumbags have a right to defend their “castle”.

Keep it in mind that they aren’t guilty of anything (their presumed to be innocent) until they are convicted.


5 posted on 12/14/2009 10:31:14 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: AtlasStalled

“go away for a very long time”

I agree, but that’s not the way it should be... They need to knock and serve the warrant to the presumed innocent party.


6 posted on 12/14/2009 10:35:02 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Another so-called 'isolated incident' and senseless casualty: http://www.cato.org/raidmap/



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7 posted on 12/14/2009 10:40:52 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: AtlasStalled

Before you go begging for an uptick in the War on Some Drugs, perhaps you should check out this link and see how many innocent lives these no-knock SWAT tactics have taken, in addition to how many have been totally botched:

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

It’s absolutely ridiculous that this goes on in the USA. As the article says, it’s an epidemic of ‘isolated incidents’....


8 posted on 12/14/2009 10:46:27 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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So... What would be the excuse for breaking down someone’s door? To make sure evidence wasn’t flushed?

I call BS on that...

Even if they found evidence the perp is going to be back on the street in 24 hours after putting up $100 in bond.

...Also, it’s common practice for home invaders to identify themselves as police. How would you know they were police? You can buy jackets and badges online...


9 posted on 12/14/2009 10:49:18 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: AtlasStalled

Agreed. In order to prevent political obstructions, focus the fancy tactics and gear on drug dealers—not reports of other crimes. And make sure that the teams go to the right addresses. Chat with local citizens to get information for lists of drug houses and individuals. Good PR is important, and those suggestions could go a long way toward getting community support. Most citizens want the dealers out of their neighborhoods.

Police work needs guru approaches, and too many of the lifetime civilians (no combat MOS training from the Army, Marines or SEALs,...) now in police work hate guru approaches. ...gets in the way of orders from certain pillars of their communities (sometimes those who front the big drug money). ...not to mention certain kinds of local lawyers, bankers...all. Yeah. We need a real war on drugs, but it will take more courage and dedication than we’re seeing.


10 posted on 12/14/2009 10:50:26 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: AtlasStalled

...And besides, between breakfast and lunch I can design a system to preserve evidence that gas been “flushed”...


11 posted on 12/14/2009 10:53:07 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_is_the_government


12 posted on 12/14/2009 11:06:53 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First Failed Black Pres-dent.....)
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Hopefully the LEO’s will be OK,,,

The best way to open a door with the bad guys on the other

side is with C-4/Det-Cord,,,

The best way to keep from getting shot going through said

door is to use the damned Shield!...


13 posted on 12/14/2009 11:12:29 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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“The best way to open a door with the bad guys on the other side is with C-4/Det-Cord,,,”

Why not just ring the doorbell? The reason cops get shot is because they come in with guns blazing.

Oh, I get it... that’s not as much fun!


14 posted on 12/14/2009 11:22:07 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene

He or she is presumed innocent in a court of law...A warrant isn’t issued unless there is cause.

Arrests are not made on people who are presumed innocent.
A prosecutor does not take the accused to trial presuming innocence.

Only in court is the accused presumed innocent until all evidence is presented by the prosecution and defense and the jury deliberates.


15 posted on 12/14/2009 11:22:53 PM PST by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Gator113

Gator, I watched the video and I can’t say that I got the connection.


16 posted on 12/14/2009 11:24:52 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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He or she is presumed innocent in a court of law...

No. A man is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

It's truly sad how far we've come.

17 posted on 12/14/2009 11:32:34 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: MEG33

“Only in court is the accused presumed innocent until all evidence is presented by the prosecution and defense and the jury deliberates.”

What a stupid thing to say.

So what your saying is that it’s OK to shoot them before trail?

No mater what you say, a person who has not been convicted is presumed innocent...


18 posted on 12/14/2009 11:33:43 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Gator113

That Onion video was funny, Gator. Thanks.


19 posted on 12/14/2009 11:40:23 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: MEG33
You've got some pretty fascist ideas for someone who's got lots of American flags and words, like 'freedom' on your home page.

Who decides what the word, 'freedom' means? Us, the people, or them, the government?

20 posted on 12/14/2009 11:44:42 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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