Not with me they dont....God Bless them...
Posted on 12/14/2009 9:15:22 AM PST by US Navy Vet
Nobody wants to buy them a beer.
Even near military bases, female veterans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan aren't often offered a drink on the house as a welcome home.
More than 230,000 American women have fought in those recent wars and at least 120 have died doing so, yet the public still doesn't completely understand their contributions on the modern battlefield.
For some, it's a lonely transition as they struggle to find their place.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
So SoldierDad what does your DD-214 look like?
“You make a claim”
You have yet to back up your claim. This is a good time for you to do so.
“Details, please. In what way does this damages discipline?”
Because when you mix a lot of young people together of different sexes they frequently think more about sex than doing their job.
Its not necessarily the fault of the woman or of the man. Both are in circumstances they don’t know how to handle.
“I’ll text my son and ask for his experience with respect to this while he was in Iraq”
Do that. I’ve been there personally and also received the PC warnings from the military.
Quit taking this personally. What benefit does it bring to mix women an men in combat? If you cannot see the complexities it brings then you are dishonest.
While I have not had PTSD, I have certainly had brief spates of nightmares and minor distress resulting from some of the things I have experienced. And I am a strong, healthy individual. (And I'm not done with the war zones yet...MY choice.)
In fact, I believe that if people don't have some reaction to some of the things experienced in war, there may be something wrong with them.
Just sayin'.
BTW, men are taught to be hyper-sensitive to women in their units, you know, watch your language and behavior and such, and then when they all ship out the men are supposed to turn off decades of PC senstivity-training and view women as mere buds on the line? Not going to happen.
“My point was that you don’t have to be in a combat position to get a little shaken up in these particular wars. “
True, but women should not be in those positions likely to face combat. Most especially with muslims as our enemy.
“In fact, I believe that if people don’t have some reaction to some of the things experienced in war, there may be something wrong with them.”
When war quits being terrible then we are in trouble.
Although I kind of liked Limbaugh’s idea:
“We know that women in groups — same office, same dormitory, same barracks — eventually have synchronized menstrual cycles. We also know that there is this thing called PMS, and we know that it turns a woman into a hellion. We know that PMS has been used as a defense against a charge of murder. Here’s my proposal: We have 52 battalions. We can prepare the nation so that we have on any given week of the year a combat-ready battalion of Amazons to go into battle. Imagine that you are Manuel Antonio Noriega. You are in the Papal Nuncio in Panama City. You feel safe. All of a sudden, you hear this bloodcurdling scream outside: ‘I AM OUTRAGED!’ And there is Sgt. Maj. Molly Yard leading a battalion of Amazons with PMS over the hill! That would be enough to scare the pants off anybody.”
Actually, Post 34 is the reference post.
LOL!
The only woman that didn’t cause this kind of problem was one who talked about how her son pulled her leg hair.
"As of 2005, women are allowed to serve in 83% of all positions in the military, including Shipboard Navy Service (except submarines), and Artillery. Combat roles are voluntary for women. Women serve in combat support and light combat roles in the Artillery Corps, infantry units and armored divisions. A few platoons, named Karakal, were formed, in which men and women serve together as light infantry on the borders with Egypt and Jordan. Karakal became a battalion in 2004.[
The IDF abolished its "Women's Corps" command in 2001, with a view that it had become an anachronism and a stumbling block towards integration of women in the army as regular soldiers with no special status. However, after pressures from feminist lobbies, the Chief of Staff was persuaded to keep an "adviser for women's affairs". Female soldiers now fall under the authority of individual units based on jobs and not on gender. The 2006 Lebanon War was the first time since 1948 that women were involved in field operations alongside men. Airborne helicopter engineer Sergeant-Major (res.) Keren Tendler became the first female combat soldier to be killed in action."
Not exactly matching what you are claiming.
SO SoldierDad about that DD-214...
I am the father of a female army medic who did two tours in Iraq providing medical coverage for convoys in the Mosul and Tal Afar regions during the worst of it, including missions to provide medical care to black pajama wearing al queida pukes before transferring them out of hot combat zones. She had no less than three humvees she was riding in towed away from IED attacks and treated wounds of many on the roadside. While she was doing that, she got to read quotes from her commander in chief that females were not being put into combat roles as per US law. THAT was a lie, even if technically true. She didn’t whine or complain, in fact, she routinely volunteered for duty when there was a shortage of medics for combat units-— even though there were male medics in her support unit that seemed to get sick or disappear when the call went out for replacements! So she and some of her female comrades may feel unappreciated and taken for granted then, and now.
I agree that females have NO business in combat zones for many reasons, morale being among them. Harassment was common to the point they had to go to showers in teams and armed at all times-— not just because of threat of incursions from outsiders. Their presence also leads to a high school environment of petty romances, pregancies and gossip. So some of the comments here may be spot on, but for those women who have fought and gone beyond the call of duty, I suggest the tone and lack of respect in some of these comments is borderline offensive, and at times crosses that border.
Yes, sex is exactly what I'd be thinking about when bullets are ripping around me.
Do that. I’ve been there personally and also received the PC warnings from the military
My son is in no way, shape, or form, PC - he states HIS opinion, not the one he's given to say by any PC individual above him - especially when speaking with members of his family.
As for taking this personally? I'm not the one who is making this a personal issue. I've only attempted to point out that women have been on the front lines of battles for hundreds if not thousands of years. I continue to wait for any evidence of negative impact of women on the front lines as claimed here. If it exists, then produce or provide links. You might say that I'm a "evidenced based" kind of person as opposed to knee-jerk emotional response type of person. Opinion, while useful after a fashion, is not evidence.
I appreciate and respect your daughter’s service she has more balls that most of the POS men(boys) that are in this country.
A COUNTRY THAT ALLOWS WOMEN TO PROTECT IT DEMEANS ITSELF.
How was that? Too many caps?
Would you have some point here?
There is a movement now to open combat back up to women fostered by the same PC forces that are at work here in the US.
The Israeli populace don’t support it and it’s not getting much headway.
Name me one example of a winning civilization that ever utilized women in their fighting forces like some here (you maybe/maybe not) are proposing?
If we were in a bar, I’d buy both of you a beer. :-)
I am a Viet Nam era vet (Female). Nobody bought me a beer,either, and I never expected one. I was not ugly, nor a slut, nor a lizzie. I was eager and honored to serve my country both in the Regular Army and in the Reserves. I was frequently the only female around, but found myself respected and liked by my fellow soldiers. My experience may have been different from what many women in service experienced, it was one of the best and happiest times of my life. I acted like a lady, and was always treated like one. It was a great experience that payed for my college degrees and led a rewarding career. My son now proudly serves in the US Army and is about to begin his 4th deployment to Iraq.
Not with me they dont....God Bless them...
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