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Was Ayn Rand a prophet, or scapegoat?
The Free Lance-Star (Fredericksburg, Va.) ^ | Dec 2009 | Jennifer Burns

Posted on 12/13/2009 1:02:29 PM PST by rface

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — Ayn Rand is back. In the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, the long-dead novelist and philosopher has become prophet and a scapegoat. Liberals blame her for the economic collapse, citing the influence of her most famous acolyte, Alan Greenspan. Conservatives hail her as a visionary who saw it all coming. Love her or hate her, Rand's ideas have become fundamental to how Americans understand capitalism.

The liberal case against Rand rests on her relationship with Alan Greenspan, the long-term head of the Federal Reserve Bank. In his youth, Greenspan was part of "The Collective," a small group of students who gathered around Rand in the 1950s and 1960s in New York City. A regular visitor to Rand's Saturday night salon, he read the first drafts of Rand's most famous novel, "Atlas Shrugged," as they came off her typewriter. He quickly mastered the fundamentals of Objectivism, her individualistic philosophy. Rand taught that reality is objective, reason rules supreme, selfishness is a virtue, and laissez-faire capitalism is the only moral and practical social system.

In a series of articles written for Rand's Objectivist Newsletter, Greenspan applied these ideas to current politics. .......

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The record-breaking sales of Rand's books in the last year suggest her influence may be just beginning. Many readers are turning to Rand to understand our past - but she may be a better guide to our future.

(Excerpt) Read more at mcclatchydc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aynrand; aynrandlist; ayrandlist; rand
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With the impending release of the movie based on the book "Atlas Shrugged" (Angelina Jolie) due out in 2011 people everywhere are speculating that the movie could start a revolution in this country.........[maybe]
1 posted on 12/13/2009 1:02:29 PM PST by rface
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To: rface

Unemployed hooker!!!


2 posted on 12/13/2009 1:04:19 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: rface
Rand was a prophet.

Directive 10-289 will be along shortly.

3 posted on 12/13/2009 1:04:21 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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She was neither. She was a keen student of human behavior and, bolstered by her experiences and observations of Soviet Russia, was capable of extrapolating what would happen in American society if too many of the grifters came into being and seized too much power. A prescient observation but not a prognostication.


4 posted on 12/13/2009 1:07:51 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: rface

“....Greenspan was part of “The Collective,” a small group of students who gathered around Rand in the 1950s and 1960s”

Oh, are ones early associates now an issue?


5 posted on 12/13/2009 1:08:42 PM PST by cd jones (Liberals: spreading misery, calling it equality)
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Oh, are ones early associates now an issue?

For anyone on the Right, yes.

For anyone on the Left, no.

Get with the program.

6 posted on 12/13/2009 1:09:51 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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Well it does look like Greenspan was a fairly conservative economist. Maybe some Rand rubbed off on him even though I would quite disagree with Rand on a spiritual plane. Not everything of worth can be measured in dollars and cents.


7 posted on 12/13/2009 1:12:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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“Oh, are ones early associates now an issue?”

Early? Greenspan was the truest acolyte of Rand. He ran the Fed up until a few years ago.

Later, he broke down and sobbed in front of Congress that his “freedom” ideas about how self-interested financiers who invent money and other stuff they openly call “toxic” will morally police themselves for the better good.

He has no human insight, though Rand did. He just has the lawless bug. Sometimes I think he is mildly autistic.


8 posted on 12/13/2009 1:15:29 PM PST by Shermy
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If Greenspan was a Rand follower and supporter...where in the world did he develop his Liberal Globalist ideas....and ever ended up marrying the uber-liberal Andrea Mitchell?


9 posted on 12/13/2009 1:15:51 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Al Gore is neither a scientist (Global Warming Fraud) nor an economist (Free Trade, NAFTA))
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To: org.whodat

And hack writer.


10 posted on 12/13/2009 1:16:42 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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It's really not prophetic...what she describes is a well known cycle that happens over and over throughout history. The next stage is bondage.

Rand seems to think you can hide in a closet until the bondage of the US is over. The book did not address the globalist effect on that "waiting period".

11 posted on 12/13/2009 1:17:03 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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I cannot believe that any Hollywood/Angelina Jolie adaptation of Rand's work would in any way resemble the novel.

I'm sure the responsibility for the economic situation would be directed towards Galt’s group.

12 posted on 12/13/2009 1:17:09 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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Congress, at the behest of ACORN(read this as Barney Fag) insisted that Banks give home loans to the insolvent dirtbags that are represented by ACORN...dont blame conservatives and libertarians....it is more leftist destruction of our economy.
13 posted on 12/13/2009 1:17:19 PM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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I totally agree.....Ayan Rand figured out the economic and kinda figured out the creative motives of humanity but missed the self evident spiritual elements of humanity.....in my humble opinion....


14 posted on 12/13/2009 1:19:52 PM PST by rface
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To: rface

Neither. Ayn Rand was a witch.


15 posted on 12/13/2009 1:21:21 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Shermy

Attempts to construct a morally sane world out of nothing but humanistic “will tend to” principles invariably fail.


16 posted on 12/13/2009 1:21:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

To be a witch (or wizard) you have to have a spiritual side.


17 posted on 12/13/2009 1:23:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: rface

Was she an atheist? It has always been hard for me to get beyond that.


18 posted on 12/13/2009 1:23:56 PM PST by RushingWater
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Sheesh. Prophet? Put things in perspective. She was an exceptionally bright woman with above average writing skills who saw some things (the nature of liberals) with blinding clarity and saw other things through a glass very darkly.

IMHO, she should be required reading for every 16-18 year old. But so too should be the Bible; and as between the two, Paul, Solomon and the author of Job (to pick a few) would kick her butt any day of the week (’cept Sunday) as intellectuals, writers, or thinkers.


19 posted on 12/13/2009 1:25:53 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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I think what Rand was getting at is that government is a parasite and the productive members of society are the host. As long as the parasite grows at the same rate as the host, or a little more the two can exist together. Prior to Bush, government was increasing around 8 percent per year and the economy was increasing around 3.5 percent per year. Death of the host was going to occur, but probably not until 2030. However, now the host is contracting and the government is growing at 10 percent or more per annum. This means that the host, the productive economy, will die within the next few years, if not sooner.


20 posted on 12/13/2009 1:26:59 PM PST by appeal2 (Government is not the solution, it is the problem and eventually the enemy.)
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