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To: Natural Law; vladimir998; presently no screen name; Ethan Clive Osgoode
"The Church has never gone any further than that and probably never will."

A lot has happened since Pius XII.

Who do you believe when it comes to creation - what ‘man’ thinks or what The Creator says.

You fail or are unable to recognize the role of the Holy Spirit. Those who worship in denominations without Apostolic Succession often see Church leaders as "men" and not instruments of the Holy Spirit.

Let's see . . . so the distinguishing characteristics of churches with apostolic succession is that G-d uses the leadership to constantly change and evolve doctrines over time so that what is believed today may be very different from what was believed in the ancient past. Meanwhile, those poor, benighted churches without apostolic succession are stuck with beliefs that never change. How outrageous!

I wonder how long it will be before there will be women priests and transubstantiation is rejected? After all, a lot can happen over the years . . .

2,240 posted on 12/14/2009 11:56:10 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vaya`an Yosef 'et-Par`oh le'mor bil`aday; 'Eloqim ya`aneh 'et-shelom Par`oh.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
is that G-d uses the leadership to constantly change and evolve doctrines over time so that what is believed today may be very different from what was believed in the ancient past.

Exactly. In direct opposition to who God is and what He says. I am that I am. I am the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Truth does NOT change, it cannot change; otherwise it is not Truth. Only God is Truth. Man changes 'their' doctrine at their own will, God's doctrine of Truth never changes. To lay claim their changes are God inspired is wicked - when He specifically says - I NEVER CHANGE. We ask God to change us to conform to His Word. We are to renew our mind.

Some instead decide to change the Truth of God's Word to conform to their liking and to what their natural mind can understand. Any notion that God used or needed anything - other than HIS spoken Word - to create HIS completed universe, is blasphemy. They refuse to acknowledge the ALMIGHTY for his GREATNESS. And from the beginning of time, that is what satan has/is doing.
2,347 posted on 12/14/2009 2:22:31 PM PST by presently no screen name
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