“Show us the proof”
I didn’t mean to pick on just you, OOF, but wanted to quote an appropriate post for framing my question.
I mean this question honestly.
If Obama were to supply a physical copy of his COLB or original (provided he still has it, as he claims in his memoir), to whom should he provide the original copy?
The courts don’t want it (based on last count I think it’s about two dozen courts who have refused to consider the question). And if you think that’s a conspiracy, my only retort is that birthers are likely the worst legal forum-shoppers ever.
Should Obama provide a copy (assuming only one exists in the original “long-form”) to the media? What if they found it valid? I doubt that would satisfy anyone here, even if it was Fox News (the last place Obama would give it to).
I just don’t understand specifically what the birthers are asking for when they ask this question. Who or what exactly is the forum to which to submit these documents for verification?
I agree that the states should adopt measures to ensure in-house verification of qualifications for 2012, but when people here say “show the long form” or “show the original” I have no idea what that means other than a computer-generated copy, which will never satisfy any birther. None of us are going to actually see any of these things in person.
I did not know anyone who wants Obama's old birth certificate he said he found in a book. I want a Hawaii records certified long form birth certificate because he said he was born in Hawaii. A gvmt vital records everyone born in America and living now has.
You feel a child is born in the US, they are given one copy of their BC and we have no other official records?
Obama has to release from Hawaii records the original long form that states the hospital, physician etc. Hawaii records said he has a form of BC there. As you recall they said they could not release it unless Obama signed?!
Everyone has seen the copy online of what Obama wants everyone to believe, I know few who want to see another. I want forensic, signed and sealed and traceable in Hawaii records.
Obama can release it to all of congress and senate,but the release must allow it to be traceable in Hawaii records. In other words, I want to see it on all records pertaining to Obama as I do with my family who has nothing to hide.
I mean come on, what is he hiding on a BC? It is the most innocent document a human can ever have.
Though your post was not address to me, I’m going to answer your question.
The birth certificate is, for the most part, simply a start. It is a way to get the public’s attention and to have them wonder why the President of the US would go into court and fight showing his birth certificate; a document we’ve all had to show numerous times for various governmental and non-governmental matters. I will say this, there is no way possible for the COLB released by factcheck.org to be genuine, absolutely no way and I’m still waiting for a so called “anti-birther” to explain to me how it could be given that facts we know.
I also do not believe he is ineligible to be president and it has nothing to do with what is on his Hawaiian birth certificate.
Forget his birth for a second.
At age 6 (from what we have been told) Obama was adopted by an Indonesian citizen, Lolo Seotoro. At that point his name was legally changed to Barry Seotoro and he moved to Indonesia becoming an Indonesian Citizen. We know he was listed as an citizen of Indonesia from his school records.
John Jay in his letter to Washington of July 1785 made the suggestion that no person should be allowed to become President of the US who has allegiance to any other country. Jay’s suggestion was taken seriously by Washington as well as the founders and without descent the condition of being a Natural Born Citizen was inserted into the Constitution only for the office of President.
Obama becoming a citizen of Indonesia, added to his admitted dual British citizenship at birth puts him directly against what Jay intended and our founders accepted, allegiance to three different countries (US, Britain and Indonesia). Simply put, Obama does not qualify by any means as to the original intent of the founders. Yes, we need a court ruling to this effect, that I fully admit but Obama has more problems then eligibility.
Obama was legally adopted yet we are missing some important documents that prove he is even legally a citizen of this country.
Where and when did he legally change his name to Barack H. Obama? Where is the court paperwork?
How did he change his birth certificate from a legal adoption by Lolo Seotoro; back to BHO Sr?
I have a similar situation as Obama. While I know who my biological father is, I too was adopted by my “step-father” at age 6. For reasons that I will not go into here, I do not consider him my “father” and in fact have a relationship now with his family, not him. However, he is still legally my Father. His name appears on my birth certificate and there is nothing I can do to change that. A legal adoption does not allow for me to go back and say “I don’t want him as my Father anymore, take his name off my birth certificate”. Obama’s adoption would have done the same.
Combine Obama’s Indonesian problem with his Kenyan problem and I can not see how anyone who takes a look at his background can not question it.
Obama’s birth certificate SHOULD show he was born in Hawaii, his father listed as Lolo Seotoro. His B/C could NOT say his father is Barack H. Obama Sr. not unless he and his family has lied about Lolo Seotoro. What Obama is said to have released shows BHO Sr. as father. This is a legal impossibility and only one reason why he should allow Hawaii to release his full record.
Aside from his b/c problems there are questions that need to be answered about his citizenship. When did he retake his American citizenship? Is he even an American citizen?
While in many ways the B/C is to get the attention of the American public, it is the first of many documents that need to be released. Do we not have a right to know who is sitting in the most powerful office in the world?
For those who believe there are no questions, PLEASE explain to me how he could have been adopted by Lolo Seotoro but is now Barack H. Obama. Hmmmmmm?