Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti
I was incorrect in my statement about Hawaiian citizenship law. It was actually a federal statute that I had in mind, which I’ve quoted in post #36
First and foremost, Natural Born status is a constitutional test that was established when the Constitution was written. It required both parents to be Citizens (Naturalized is fine) and the individual to be Born in the US. (Except for persons who were simply Citizens on the date of the adoption of the Constitution. - Which BO doesn't qualify)
This test only has meaning for one person, the candidate for President being offered to the electoral college.
Starting with the 14th Amendment, the status of "Citizen" began to be defined leading to the current laws and regulations defining Citizenship but none of this really has that much bearing on the Natural Born Citizen status defined by the Constitution in Article 2, Section 1. In the case of Barack Obama, the birth certificate is only important in establishing that he actually is listed as a child of a non-citizen, because this would establish that indeed as is already agreed by all parties, Barack Obama was a British Citizen at birth as well because his father never was a citizen of the United States. The whole Birth Certificate issue is a distraction unless it shows someone else is his father, which it doesn't.
Many are arguing that Barack Obama is not a Citizen at all.. which would be more clearly disqualifying and there is significant evidence that this may indeed be the case, but all of this is ultimately moot because this debate must have been finished before the President was inaugurated, and it wasn't.
The reason to chase this down and all of Barack Obama's missing records is one of proving or disproving that BO has achieved his office by committing a fraud or frauds. This knowledge is the right of every citizen.
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Sorry....but I have NEVER seen his LONG FORM BC....have you?? really??? Please show again....missed it in June 08.
You’re right, it’s all very simple.
Barack’s grandparents wanted him to grow up as an American (with all the advantages that would give him), rather than as a Kenyan.
Amongst other things, the proud grandparents made sure a birth announcement appeared in the local paper.
To be totally certain, one would have to find out who placed that announcement. Was it the hospital or the grandparents? I doubt that information still exists.
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I have no doubt that he was born. The question is, where?
The SCOTUS nor Congress have the cajones to do it, and only an armed revolution would accomplish it, IMHO. How many would participate in an armed revolution? Not enough,IMHO.
(Then again in the original revolution not all Americans participated on either side.)
Former Marine.
Yes I just got my CCW using a newspaper birth announcement.
From what I understand his grandparents applied for his BC while he was in abstentia...then the HI DOH forwarded that on to the local newspapers.
Someone went to interview neighbhors of the address in the birth announcement. They had lived there 50 years and could not remeber a black man and white woman (with child) ever living there.
The property owner of said address was one of BHO Sr.’s professors.
More importantly, it confirms he was born to a father who was a British subject and, therefore, he is ineligible to be president.
From the article:
“The confirmation that a British subject was the legal, declared father of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., establishes more firmly the charge that he is ineligible for office, since to be president the U.S. Constitution requires that one be a natural born citizen, and no natural born citizen can have a foreigner as a parent.”
“The confirmation that a British subject was the legal, declared father of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., establishes more firmly the charge that he is ineligible for office, since to be president the U.S. Constitution requires that one be a natural born citizen, and no natural born citizen can have a foreigner as a parent.”
For some reason, this factor is being ignored yet it’s the simplest one to explain and defend.
Hmmm...interesting theory
AND/OR Madeline Dunham’s name appears on that BC
I think he was clean, articulate, "Democrat", and black. As so, politically unimpeachable.
He does make a point. All this says is that A child was born to BHO, SR. The mother is not named.
Since he apparently have children all over the world with different women, this doc. doesn’t prove or disprove ANYTHING.
Because of our system of checks and balances, only congress can enforce the laws on this issue. There is no way in hell that this congress is going to do anything that threatens their rubber stamp in the white house. The dimrat party has totally corrupted the presidential elections process. McCain and the rest us got so punked in the last election assuming that it was being run evenly on both sides. The people in the dim party that allowed ozero to move forward need to be held responsible. ozero is the acting president and other than the ‘12 election, I can’t see anything touching the boy king. I used to get just fighting mad about this, but I don’t see anyone aside from freepers and a few others who even give a damn. The dangerous thing I see coming down the road, other than the current “leadership”, is that the dimrats have set a precedent on who can be president from their party. Who’s next? a blatant in your face illegal alien?
Part of me thinks that mccain knew all this, but was afraid to bring it up because of all the media who was campaigning for our first historic doofus.
Did he have to be? No. Was he? Yes, by a non-binding resolution. Congress did pretty much the same thing for Obama with their resolution on the 50th anniversary of Hawaian statehood. So the two are even.
Sure it could.
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