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To: Texas Songwriter
"Just so I understand you...are you saying that a gymnosperm is sentient and ‘desires’ (teleology) to reproduce?"

I am saying saying nothing of the kind. Reproduction even in setient creatures need not be a conscious act. The primary objective of living organisms is to reproduce.

282 posted on 12/10/2009 5:22:52 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
I am saying saying nothing of the kind. Reproduction even in setient creatures need not be a conscious act. The primary objective of living organisms is to reproduce.

Conciousness of action is the definition of sentience. My question regards the title of this article about which we discuss the matter. 'Purpose' implies intent toward an end. How does a non-sentient entity 'purpose' an end. Scientific materialism does not allow for sentience, and by implication, a teleological plan sought. ONly sentient beings do that.

I know when you and I were in undergraduate school we were taught that an organism is 'successful' if it completes a life-cycle and generates another of its kind. As a trained botanist, you know that is an artificial assignment of classification. It is, in fact, a tautology and therefore meaningless. It is like the moniker, "survival of the fittest". Of course the fittest survive, by definition. It is a tautology. As a trial lawyer you would not go before the court and say "this man is innocent because he is innocent." The judge would look at you out of the corner of his/her eye. I am simply trying to understand the arguement a darwinist materialist would profer to support this assertion.

285 posted on 12/10/2009 5:39:07 PM PST by Texas Songwriter
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