[marron]

Whether you ban minarets or not is almost beside the point. It is rather meaningless if you don’t address the bigger point.

You must not give residence visas to immigrants who don’t want to be Swiss. You don’t give citizenship to residents who aren’t fully assimilated, but you don’t give residence visas in the first place to people who aren’t going to assimilate.

Similarly, in the case of Holland, residence visas should be reserved for those people who want to be Dutch. Being Dutch means something, and if you want to live in Holland it should be because you admire Dutch culture and want to be part of it.

A country that depends upon commerce will always have people coming and going, there will always have to be tourist and business visas for short term visitors. But permanent residence should means something; you are admitting someone into your family.

When my country wakes up to this, it will be not a day too soon.

[Beamreach]

Marron, you put it so well. but i will take it a bit further. Muslims come with the idea to make a muslim country out of what ever country they infect. They come with the idea of either Jihad or the idea that we will out breed our host country. Our msn has done a good job of keeping jihad incidents in the U.S. under wraps, by just not reporting,or not telling the whole truth, or ignoring them.