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To: ModelBreaker
Interesting. Those numbers mean that the Tea Parties are drawing a lot of Indies and Democrats, something the moderate R’s have never really figured out how to do. It’s a hard coalition to keep together because the moderate R’s have a certain cultural contempt for their lessers in the conservative wing of the party.

Please stop to think about what you just wrote. Do you really believe that all these "Indies and Democrats" that you're so happy about attracting are in the end going to hang in there with the conservatives? These people are not going to be conservative on the social issues and they're going to stray off the reservation just like everyone is doing now.

This is no panacea. People are people. You can realign them into a new group with a new name but you are going to eventually be right back to where we are now.

I want to call my new party The Anti-Democrat Party.

86 posted on 12/07/2009 6:58:42 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

This anti incumbent group is much more than just the GOP conservative base. They come from across the political specturm of the two main parties but also a lot of independents and 3rd parties. Will these joint together when voting time comes to replace the incumbents? I truly doubt it as many will go back to their party and support that candidate which will dilute the vote across many different ones giving the establishment the win most likely. I’m not sure what the answer is other than to take back the largest party and not splinter into multiple factions.

A few tidbits from the poll:

** Republican voters, 39% say they’d vote for the GOP candidate, but 33% favor the Tea Party option

**55% of conservatives nationwide consider themselves Republicans [thus 45% are something else]

**not affiliated with either major party, (33%) prefer the Tea Party candidate, and 30% are undecided. (25%) would vote for a Democrat, 12% prefer the GOP.

The mood of the nation is in a state of flux but hopefully it will come together and get some conservatives elected in 2010.


114 posted on 12/07/2009 7:14:57 AM PST by deport (86 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“Do you really believe that all these “Indies and Democrats” that you’re so happy about attracting are in the end going to hang in there with the conservatives?”

Actually, it splits several ways. The D’s attracted to the tea parties tend, I believe, to be socially conservative (abortion, guns)—Reagan Democrats—who have choked on Obama’s 1 Trillion a year additions to the deficit and healthcare takeover.

There are a lot of I’s that would like to see a balanced budget and smaller government but could give a hoot about killing unborn babies but support the second amendment.

When you combine that with moderate R’s (who believe in lots of spending, bigger government, and don’t give a hoot about killing babies, or the right to bear firearms), and actual conservatives (reduce spending, small government and protecting the unborn), you have an almost impossible coalition to keep together.

As you so correctly point out, the only thing that unites the tea parties and the Republicans is opposition to our current governing class (the “anti-democrat party”). That may work for one election. But eventually the Republicans will need a better platform than “Vote for us, we don’t suck as much as the Democrats.” However true that may be, it eventually leads to a 2008 election debacle.


223 posted on 12/07/2009 10:06:54 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“Do you really believe that all these “Indies and Democrats” that you’re so happy about attracting are in the end going to hang in there with the conservatives?”

Actually, it splits several ways. The D’s attracted to the tea parties tend, I believe, to be socially conservative (abortion, guns)—Reagan Democrats—who have choked on Obama’s 1 Trillion a year additions to the deficit and healthcare takeover.

There are a lot of I’s that would like to see a balanced budget and smaller government but could give a hoot about killing unborn babies but support the second amendment.

When you combine that with moderate R’s (who believe in lots of spending, bigger government, and don’t give a hoot about killing babies, or the right to bear firearms), and actual conservatives (reduce spending, small government and protecting the unborn), you have an almost impossible coalition to keep together.

As you so correctly point out, the only thing that unites the tea parties and the Republicans is opposition to our current governing class (the “anti-democrat party”). That may work for one election. But eventually the Republicans will need a better platform than “Vote for us, we don’t suck as much as the Democrats.” However true that may be, it eventually leads to a 2008 election debacle.


224 posted on 12/07/2009 10:08:08 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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