Official Request byCongressmen to See Obama's Birth Certificate-Straw Which Breaks This Camel's Back

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[rolling_stone]

I agree, which is why I seriously doubt he was born at home. However, even if turned out he were born in the home, that would be no reason to suspect fraud.

If you wouldn't suspect fraud with this bunch of liars I cant help you, you probably still believe in the Easter Bunny.

Of course his mother and grandmother had every reason to lie about his place of birth, if he was not born in the USA but in Kenya, he would not be an American citizen and would make it difficult for Stanley Ann (and grandma) to get custody.

Barbara Streisand. If he were born in Kenya, he wouldn't have been born a US citizen, but it would be very easy for his mother to obtain naturalized citizenship for him, since she herself was a US citizen.

Not if Daddy Obama wanted to take his child back to Kenya with him. Obama would not be an adopted child thus go through a completely different process in 1961 than Barbara Streisand. Tell me how he could be naturalized if born in 1961? How long would it take? What would having a foreign father from Kenya have to do with the procedure?

Why should she risk committing fraud when she could do everything legally?

Maybe the same reason Obama won't show his real long form BC and College Records, he can't. Look at Stanley Ann's divorce filing and tell me if she committed fraud? Why? Was it easier? Did their marriage application show Obama Sr was already married? Why not? IMO you are either very naive, uninformed or ------.

[Red Steel]

LOL. The fact that you and some anonymous internet "guru," without any real credentials, thinks it is fraudulent doesn't make it so.

It doesn't take an 'Internet guru' to spot a fake:

Yes, if a court or law were to ask for it, that is what he would do. But no court has asked for it to date.

Yes, it's easier to spend 1.7 million on lawyers to prevent a court to see it than spend 12 dollars. Another example of Obama's evasiveness that people understand.

What makes you think he, or any court of law, takes your suspicions seriously?

What makes you think Obama is honest? When the courts find their little balls to see a case on the merits, sometime in the future.

What evidence can you provide to make a court think your suspicions anything more than a baseless, wild accusation?

Obama has not made the case that he is Hawaiian born. He can show his real birth certificate to a court, which he has not.

As does every state. So what? That doesn't stop the State Department or any other Federal agency from accepting birth certificates based on such testimony. If someone wants to assert that such a birth is fraudulant, then the burden is on him to prove it.

But but...Obama was born in a Hawaiian hospital? He would be caught in a big lie if he was born anywhere else - liar lair. So you think Obama was born where ... in a sugarcane field? States and the state department can be fooled or maybe they want to be fools. The subject here is Obama. If Obama was born anywhere else beside being born at Kapi'olani hospital would open himself up to even more and new intense scrutiny and investigations to where he was really born.

Now why don't you answer my question: what makes you think it is likely that Obama's birth was fraudulantly registered?

You like redundancy. See forged seal above. It's easy to question Obama's birth certificate or presidential legitamacy when "factcheck".org can't fact check.

[curiosity]

If you wouldn't suspect fraud with this bunch of liars I cant help you, you probably still believe in the Easter Bunny.

In other words, your suspicions have no basis in fact.

Of course his mother and grandmother had every reason to lie about his place of birth,

No they did not, for reasons stated below.

Tell me how he could be naturalized if born in 1961?

Secton 1431 of the US immigration code, originally adopted in 1952:

a) A child born outside of the United States automatically becomes a citizen of the United States when all of the following conditions have been fulfilled:
(1) At least one parent of the child is a citizen of the United States, whether by birth or naturalization.
(2) The child is under the age of eighteen years.
(3) The child is residing in the United States in the legal and physical custody of the citizen parent pursuant to a lawful admission for permanent residence.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/uscode/8usc/www/t8-12-III-II-1431.html

How long would it take?

It would be automatic as soon as brought Bambi back to the US and established residency.

What would having a foreign father from Kenya have to do with the procedure?

Nothing.

Maybe the same reason Obama won't show his real long form BC and College Records, he can't.

That doesn't make any sense. He's not committing fraud by declining to show you either.

Look at Stanley Ann's divorce filing and tell me if she committed fraud?

I see no reason to believe she comitted fraud in that filing. What makes you think she did so?

Did their marriage application show Obama Sr was already married? Why not?

Most likely because his first marriage was a tribal one not recognized by either Kenyan of US law. Either that, or Obama Sr. was hiding his first marriage from his wife and, being a polygamist, did not want to get a divorce.

In that case, it would be Obama Sr. committing fraud, not Stanley Ann. And he would have a reason to committ it, unlike Stanley Ann.

[curiosity]

It doesn't take an 'Internet guru' to spot a fake:

Nice images, but how, exactly, do they prove the COLB is a fake?

Yes, it's easier to spend 1.7 million on lawyers to prevent a court to see it than spend 12 dollars.

And what evidence do you have that he's spent anything close to that amount?

What makes you think Obama is honest?

I don't think he's honest. However, unfortunately, honest is not an eligibility requirement.

Obama has not made the case that he is Hawaiian born. He can show his real birth certificate to a court, which he has not.

Again, no court has asked him to do so.

But but...Obama was born in a Hawaiian hospital?

Yes, I believe he was. I was simply stimulating, for sake of argument, that even if he wasn't, that doesn't prove he was born somewhere other than Hawaii.

He would be caught in a big lie if he was born anywhere else - liar lair.

True, which is why I think the probability of is birth record showing a home birth is about zero. So long as he has a valid birth certificate, he has no reason to lie about a home birth.

So you think Obama was born where ... in a sugarcane field?

I believe he was born in Kapiolani hospital, as he says he was.

I believe him because 1) the Hawaiian birth records show he was born in Hawaii and 2) he would have nothing to gain by lying about the hospital. There's nothing embarassing or diqualifying about being born at home.

The subject here is Obama. If Obama was born anywhere else beside being born at Kapi'olani hospital would open himself up to even more and new intense scrutiny and investigations to where he was really born.

That's only because he has said consistently to date that he was born in a hospital.

If he had said from the get-go that he was born at home, there would be nothing damaging about such a relevlation.

Why would he risk lying about being born in a hosptial if there was nothing to gain from such a lie?

You like redundancy. See forged seal above.

I see no evidence that it is forged.

[Canadian Outrage]

So called “birthers” which name I hate, btw, since we are just people that love the United States because we are citizens or because we have many relatives and friends that are, are NOT required to prove a negative. Those advocating on my side provide more research and evidence than I have ever seen from the others. I akin your stance to the Jim Jones situation - once you drank the Kool-Aid you were screwed. The End. CO

[rolling_stone]

I see you have either a reading comprehensive problem or some other inability to answer a simple question. I repeat, in 1961 when Obie Jr was supposed to be born how could he either derive or acquire US Citizenship or using your term naturalize? HINT that was before the Child Citizenship act of 2000.

Second you ignore once again the Kenyan father who would have to acquiesce to his son living in the USA.

You also never answered what evidence is there that Obie was born in any hospital?

[lucysmom]

The problem being that the same department can also verify that Chiang Kai-Shek was born in Hawaii, as it can also do for any number of foreign born children adopted by Hawaiians.

It was Sun Yat-sen - but never mind

[lucysmom]

None of the above claims are true, yet birthers continue to repeat them, ad nausiam, over and over again as if they were gospel.

What is it they say about lies...

[danamco]

Even if that were true (and it's not), so? How exactly would it prove Obama isn't eligible to be president?

If he traveled on an Indonesian/British or Equatorial Guinea passport, would he be eligible???

[danamco]

Now this person, he/she is a professor at University of Washington, one of our country’s most liberal State. I feel real sorry for the students being taught by this “individual”!!!

[danamco]

Lucas’ Kenyan BC is as authentic as that one on the Annenberg site!!!

[danamco]

I don’t believe you. Do you have a link?

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Hey Oboty, you constantly posts that we don’t have any evidence that your affirmative action illegal alien and usurper is born outside Hawaii.

The evidence we have presented here are as trustworthy as your non-evidence posted.

Here is a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyf2RWXLse8

[danamco]

See #372 as an answer to this hairsplitting professor moron!!!

[antceecee]

Very telling....

-Troll Posse ready to spring on BC threads.

-Likes the way they are treated on lib sites.....

Hmmmm.......

[danamco]

Hey smart alec, here you have five different video links explaining the fraud and how easy it is to fake a BC, that even YOU should be able to understand:

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/obama-birth-certifcation-forgery/

[Kevmo]

That’s a wonderful troll list you’ve got there.

[danamco]

He released pictures of his COLB, a hard copy of which is just as good for the purposes of proving place of birth in any court of low or any Federal agency. Now it's true, a hard copy, not just a picture, is necessary for proof, but sending out a hard copy to every citizen who requests one doesn't seem like a reasonable demand to me.

It would, however, be reasonable even to you, that the affirmative action, illegal alien, and the usurper you have in the White House, according to the Annenberg's stooges' misinformation, that he was at birth Kenyan citizen, but they did NOT tell you, that he was also, and IS still today, - as we speak,- a BRITISH CITIZEN according to the BNA!!!

Would you argue that is not TRUE???

[Red Steel]

He released pictures of his COLB, a hard copy of which is just as good for the purposes of proving place of birth in any court of low or any Federal agency.

Danamco, Ms. Un-curios can work as a Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey circus clown.

[tired_old_conservative]

Your patience, focus and diligence stand out on this thread.

[Red Steel]

That’s a wonderful troll list you’ve got there.

It's the best out in the open troll list on FR.