Posted on 12/04/2009 4:47:27 PM PST by cycle of discernment
Of course, no one has actually seen a COLB of 0bama’s. An image resembling same was posted on the internet. No actual person has held a paper one in hand or view the paper one with eyeballs.
The EO that you reference didn’t seal Obama’s personal records. The EO relates to presidential records held in the national archives.
Pay attention.
My ping was not a “whack-a-mole” ping. It was just a regular old ping. And in that ping I presented two issues for discussion.
As usual, those disrupting the discussion on the thread are birthers.
No, but a hard copy of a COLB containing the state seal and registrar's signature does.
Last time I checked, being born in the hopstial is not a presidential eligibility requirement.
So even in the highly unlikely event that the long form says it was a home birth, I really don't see why that matters.
What's that hospital's name? Queens or was that Kapi'olani? LoL!
Obama and every single member of his family have consistently said he was born in Kapi'olani.
The fact that a UPI reporter and student newspaper got their facts wrong and said it was Queens doesn't mean anything.
This ilk certainly does. :)
Good. Why won't he cough up the $10 it would take to get one?
Hint: When the only people who claim to have had a copy in their hands have absolutely no experience in detecting counterfeit documents AND they are ardent 0bama supporters, it does not constitute adequate "proof" to any rational observer.
You, I am sure, are totally convinced. Or at least you are paid to say you are...
My guess is that the term “natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution because the definition was commonly understood. How likely is it that a definition used by a Swiss philosopher, who’s work was not readily available to the average guy in Colonial America, would trump the British definition that the colonists had lived with? Not likely IMHO, particularly since there doesn’t seem to be much contemporaneous discussion of the issue that has been passed down to us.
He did, and he had it photographed, and he made those photographs publicly available. I'm not sure what else you would have him do, short of him sending you a personal copy.
Hint: When the only people who claim to have had a copy in their hands have absolutely no experience in detecting counterfeit documents AND they are ardent 0bama supporters, it does not constitute adequate "proof" to any rational observer.
Perhaps, but when the director of public health for the state of Hawaii officially verifies that the state vital record also shows he was born in Hawaii, I don't think there's much room for any rational person to doubt it.
You have a hard time following logic. If Obama wasn't born in a Hawaiian hospital also means no doctor delivered him. That would lead to the big question where was Obama born? Then it was most likely a witness signed an affidavit to the state of Hawaii saying he/she saw his birth in the state.
Obama and every single member of his family have consistently said he was born in Kapi'olani.
Reports have said he was born in Queens hospital.
The fact that a UPI reporter and student newspaper got their facts wrong and said it was Queens doesn't mean anything.
The facts is you don't have the facts because Obama has kept the facts from you.
I don't see why anyone would care whether he was born in a hospital or at home. Why do you think it would wound him?
So?
Reports have said he was born in Queens hospital.
So? Are you implying that the UPI reporters and students writing for school papers are infallible?
He has NEVER said that the documents shown on the internet (Hey, it's on the internet-it must be true!) are authentic.
Perhaps, but when the director of public health for the state of Hawaii officially verifies that the state vital record also shows he was born in Hawaii, I don't think there's much room for any rational person to doubt it.
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i..."
The problem being that the same department can also verify that Chiang Kai-Shek was born in Hawaii, as it can also do for any number of foreign born children adopted by Hawaiians.
I guess it depends on your definition of what the word "in" is.
So? This is so --> If Obama's birth certificate was obtained by witness affidavit, the birth witness very likely lied to the state of Hawaii. Obama could NOT have been born in Kapi'olani hospital, now could he?
So? Are you implying that the UPI reporters and students writing for school papers are infallible?
You pick and choose what the 'facts' are you want to believe in ... followed your "infallible" logic.
Fact: We do not know for a fact if Obama was born in Hawaii.
Yup. Obama is keeping the plausible deniability card in his hip pocket if that COLB blows up in his face. I don't think he will be able to get away with it since an Obama campaign spokesman Ben Labolt told the LA Times that it was his COLB, but I'm sure he would try.
It would raise qustions of why would he have concealed a BC that doesn't show anything "bad" or disqualifying. It would increase the chance that the original was fraudulently filed, since as I said, a home birth to the daughter of his grandparents would have been highly unusual in '61, more so in some ways that in the late 60s or the 70s. Thus it would cast more suspicion, and inquiry into the certificate. If it was signed only by his (white) Grandmother, and his mothers signature turns out not to match other signatures of hers, well then it would be highly likely that it was fraudulently obtained.
You do have a point there, I stand corrected.
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