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Dems aim to expand water pollution controls
Washington Times ^ | 12/4/2009 | Amanda DeBard

Posted on 12/04/2009 2:58:17 PM PST by markomalley

With the deletion of a single word from the Clean Water Act, some leading Democratic lawmakers are angling to greatly expand the federal government's authority to regulate water pollution.

The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee in June quietly approved legislation dropping the adjective "navigable" to describe the bodies of water covered under the 1972 law, vastly expanding its scope and prompting a lobbying campaign from business groups that fear the small editorial change would cost jobs during economic hard times.

The federal government regulates lakes and rivers large enough for ship traffic, but if the word "navigable" is deleted, the groups say, the government could have the authority to police everything from wetlands and lakes to backyard ponds and roadside ditches.

The law also would open the way to government regulation of 20 million acres of the nation's so-called isolated wetlands and 59 percent of the nation's streams that do not flow year-round. These are two types of water that are now largely exempt from federal oversight.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government
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Anybody??

1 posted on 12/04/2009 2:58:17 PM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

I’ve been watching this one. It also means the water in your wells which could be taxed. They tried it in NJ but it went nowhere.

It would be a simple matter to attach a meter to your pump and tax you accordingly.

And here you thought your property rights extended to what is under the surface of your property. Hah!

We received a tax bill today for trash. After wracking my brains, I realized it is for a recycling service that hasn’t started yet.

When the revolution comes, it will be because of taxes once again, but because over 50% of the public will be on the dole, how can a revolution succeed?


2 posted on 12/04/2009 3:03:12 PM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: markomalley
"Water pollution," my @ss.
We all know what this means. Brought to you by the same lowlifes who want to take control of your health-care.
3 posted on 12/04/2009 3:03:15 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

So if we have puddles of water in our yard after a rain, will that be a body of water?

If we have puddles of water in the driveway, which will mix with whatever is on the driveway, be a toxic waste site?

If they do this, then, won’t bureaucrats have way too much leeway to interpret the law, and selectively enforce it?


4 posted on 12/04/2009 3:07:34 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: markomalley

There is NOTHING, absolutely nothing, they do not want to REGULATE.


5 posted on 12/04/2009 3:20:51 PM PST by La Enchiladita ("It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.")
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To: markomalley
What insanity! The EPA is already an extra-constitutional entity that has almost no oversight from even Congress.

I would much rather see the EPA eliminated, and start over within Constitutional limits, than give it even more power.

The way that it cavalierly violates property rights and due process should be enough to eliminate it.

6 posted on 12/04/2009 3:21:06 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Dilbert San Diego
“If they do this, then, won’t bureaucrats have way too much leeway to interpret the law, and selectively enforce it?”

That is already the situation.

7 posted on 12/04/2009 3:22:25 PM PST by marktwain
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To: markomalley

Liberals cannot stop taxing, spending, regulating, enforcing, suing or anyting that kills regular business and life.

Obama personifies this.

With cap and trade and healthcare, the totalitarian maggots will own everything you do, eat, drink or use electricity for.


8 posted on 12/04/2009 3:33:44 PM PST by wac3rd (Felipe Calderon supports the public option.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
So if we have puddles of water in our yard after a rain, will that be a body of water? If we have puddles of water in the driveway, which will mix with whatever is on the driveway, be a toxic waste site?

Non-point source pollution will be regulatable under the CWA, as will streams all across the west which flow only after a heavy rain hits exactly the right place in the watershed.

9 posted on 12/04/2009 3:38:36 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Suggested item for the next Contract With America:

A GOP majority Congress promises to repeal one legislative act every week it is in session.

Now, that's an agenda I could get behind. Might even insure a Republican majority for the next fifty years...

10 posted on 12/04/2009 3:49:27 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Thud

This seems set to give you far more work for your court.


11 posted on 12/04/2009 4:00:16 PM PST by Dark Wing
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To: La Enchiladita

If I hadn’t personally known about the following case I wouldn’t believe it, but it is true.

There was a property owner in Oregon (Columbia County) who had no septic system on her property. It was in a rural area near the Columbia River and the property had been in her family for over a century.

To be blunt, she had, and I mean this literally, a lake of sewage on her 100+ acres. The county was having a difficult time getting this woman, who was land rich but poor and almost illiterate, to rectify this situation.

We moved away before this was resolved, but I have to tell you that it is horrible cases like this that give County officials nightmares when it comes to water quality issues and drive the regulations on water quality.


12 posted on 12/04/2009 4:59:55 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: La Enchiladita
Control, Control, Control seems to be the way of the Dems.

The Communist Party in Russia had control of almost everything before the USSR collapsed.

The Dems are to the US as the Communists were to the USSR?

It appears they have not learned the lessons of the past or they do not care about our country.

13 posted on 12/04/2009 5:03:16 PM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
With the deletion of a single word from the Clean Water Act, some leading Democratic lawmakers are angling to greatly expand the federal government's authority to regulate water pollution. The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee in June quietly approved legislation dropping the adjective "navigable" to describe the bodies of water covered under the 1972 law, vastly expanding its scope and prompting a lobbying campaign from business groups that fear the small editorial change would cost jobs during economic hard times.

14 posted on 12/04/2009 5:05:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve been supporting the Pacific Legal Fund for years, trying to stop this kind of BS. The DIM-oc-RATS are asses.


15 posted on 12/04/2009 6:23:08 PM PST by hal ogen
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To: markomalley

The courts have interpreted “navigable” so loosely that the little puddle in your back yard is probably already covered if it will eventually make it into something that could loosely be called navigable.


16 posted on 12/04/2009 7:10:12 PM PST by yawningotter
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To: SatinDoll

“To be blunt, she had, and I mean this literally, a lake of sewage on her 100+ acres. “

May I ask how big the lake was and how many people were involved? A single person simply does not create much more waste than a single bear, and much less than a single cow or horse.

Perhaps she had a large extended family, and they all had a system where their elimination fed directly to the lake? I encountered a situation where the sewage from about 100 people was feeding directly into a pond that was about an acre, as I recall, and I had to search a bit to determine that the sewage was directly feeding into it. It was not at all obvious.


17 posted on 12/04/2009 7:55:22 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I was working as a temp in a land use planning office for Columbia County, Oregon, at the time this issue was discovered. I’ve related the facts as they were explained to me by the acting department manager. He described the situation out at the site as “nauseating”.

The ground at that particular site was odd. The topsoil is underlain several meters down with a layer of vesicular basalt called the Goble formation. The climate in northwestern Oregon is very wet and rainy but in western Columbia County it is only thirty or so miles to the Pacific Ocean and rain in that location can be measured in feet.

I don’t know if the woman had an extended family or owned cattle and pigs but that would not have been unusual in that area of Columbia County. The name of the area is Alston-Mayger, and it is between Rainier and Clatkanie in Oregon.


18 posted on 12/04/2009 8:16:24 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"If they do this, then, won’t bureaucrats have way too much leeway to interpret the law, and selectively enforce it?"

bingo and if they can't get enough power that way they will just tack on the commerce clause and have total control.

19 posted on 12/04/2009 8:19:55 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: SatinDoll
If a number of livestock were involved, then it is very easy to have a small pond of waste. Of course, this is common all over the country. Usually the waste is distributed over the fields as fertilizer.
20 posted on 12/04/2009 8:26:10 PM PST by marktwain
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