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Is Ayn Rand Bad for the Market?
Wall Street Journal ^ | 4 Dec. 2009 | Heather Wilhelm

Posted on 12/04/2009 7:52:57 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

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Rand had a few problems with drawing a distinction between res publica and res privata. Same problem as the socialists/nanny statists, just in the opposite direction.
1 posted on 12/04/2009 7:52:57 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

We all can’t be climbing on top of Dagny Taggart, Ms. Rand. Family endures after money and profit fade.


2 posted on 12/04/2009 7:57:13 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad

If Angelina Jolie really does play Dagny that mental picture just got even better...


3 posted on 12/04/2009 8:03:02 AM PST by jyoders19
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“Rand had a few problems with drawing a distinction between res publica and res privata. Same problem as the socialists/nanny statists, just in the opposite direction.”

That’s one of the more coherent and accurate criticisms I’ve heard of her, but I prefer her confusion to the left’s.


4 posted on 12/04/2009 8:05:25 AM PST by villagerjoel (1. Implement socialist policies 2. ??? 3. Heaven on earth)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I disagree.

The only problem I had with her was her diatribe against “organized religion” (seemingly the Catholic church, of which I have my own issues with it) in Atlas Shrugged.

But the rest is sound.


5 posted on 12/04/2009 8:05:28 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“and an “Atlas” cable miniseries is reportedly in the works.”

oh crap, let me guess JG is an eco-warrior railling against big oil and the evils of capitalism in general.


6 posted on 12/04/2009 8:07:07 AM PST by henry_reardon
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but I prefer her confusion to the left’s.

True dat. At least Rand's confusion leaves everyone else alone...

7 posted on 12/04/2009 8:07:42 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (There are only two REAL conservatives in America - myself, and my chosen Presidential candidate)
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To: ConservativeMind

I am at the part in the book where Dannager retires and disappears. I just can’t put the book down.


8 posted on 12/04/2009 8:08:02 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Dittos! We have been ‘going galt’ since last fall. Ayn Rand is one of my heroines....I don’t care about her religion(or lack thereof). She was right about the statists.


9 posted on 12/04/2009 8:11:49 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
An interesting critique.



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10 posted on 12/04/2009 8:25:01 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ConservativeMind

I agree.


11 posted on 12/04/2009 8:30:16 AM PST by SoDak (bitter clinger)
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To: Publius; Billthedrill

over here


12 posted on 12/04/2009 8:32:56 AM PST by Clinging Bitterly (MMM MMM MM!)
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To: domenad

Exactly.

Rand is a genius at illustrating the economic dead end that is statism, but the rest of her philosophy is a dead end for society.

The one striking thing I remember about “Atlas” is it’s almost total absence of children (and given the number of pages in that thing, that’s tough to do).

As I recall, children show up twice - kind of. There’s a bunch a pages at the beginning involving the young Dagny and her little friends. But of course if you read Rand’s dialog for them, they’re not really children - they’re just adults in children’s bodies having grown-up conversations.

And there’s one sentence in the middle of the book where a mom is carrying her baby in that cloaked hideaway in the Colorado mountains.

And as I recall, that’s it - Rand, I expect, had little interest in children, and that’s not surprising: raising children is, at it’s core, a multi-year exercise in altruism (and we can’t have any of that!).

Rand had wonderful insights on the problems that arise when do-gooders project their altruism onto economic policy. But she never quite clued into the fact that life is pretty much pointless without the kind of love that involves giving of yourself.

And as best as I can tell, she ended up living a life that included a boatload of personal misery.


13 posted on 12/04/2009 8:37:08 AM PST by Stosh
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I finished the book not to long ago. Started out painfully slow to me and I put it down for almost a year. When Dagney got together with Hank Reardon is when I really stuck with it and couldn’t put it down either.


14 posted on 12/04/2009 8:39:11 AM PST by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: villagerjoel
That’s one of the more coherent and accurate criticisms I’ve heard of her, but I prefer her confusion to the left’s.

Great point. At least Rand's conundrum can be sorted out without resorting to gunpoint; everything the Left demands is always at gunpoint. Rand's first-principles ethical and political argument was that your life belongs to you. All else follows from that.

15 posted on 12/04/2009 8:46:35 AM PST by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Stosh

There are also the feral children who break the window of Hank’s car in Starnesville. Now just substitute those feral children for the actual children who live in Starnesvil...uh... Detroit!


16 posted on 12/04/2009 8:54:53 AM PST by Marshall 4x12 (NZ is seeming like a really good option these days.....)
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To: domenad
"climbing on top"

I'm not an anti-government absolutist. I believe in free-market capitalism because I feel that's the best way to create wealth for all. But I, and I sure many conservatives feel the same, don't worship money for itself. It's just a means to an end.

What Rand get's wrong is that no person is an island. All the great people couldn't have made it without the support of the countless millions who provided the framework for the giants to stand on. But I have no problem with the Gates's of the world and their billions. That's how the market works.

p.s. I've read "The Fountainhead" and have purchased "Atlas Shrugged."

17 posted on 12/04/2009 9:41:10 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: goodwithagun

I just can’t put the book down.

Thats called a good plot, structure and writing. Couple good this with deep original philosophy and you have a classic. BTW, Rand, like Conrad and Kosinsky, wrote in a second language, not their own. I always find that amazing.


18 posted on 12/04/2009 9:44:54 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Stosh
"..Rand had wonderful insights on the problems that arise when do-gooders project their altruism onto economic policy. But she never quite clued into the fact that life is pretty much pointless without the kind of love that involves giving of yourself..."

Excellent point!

19 posted on 12/04/2009 9:47:40 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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As an aside, advice from someone who doesn't even need reading glasses -- if you decide to buy a copy of Atlas Shrugged, crack it open and check the size of the print before you buy it.

I bought my paperback copy cheap, got it home, and when I opened the book, the print was the tiniest font I have ever seen this side of microfilm! I've literally had to use my stamp-collector husband's magnifying glass to read it.

20 posted on 12/04/2009 10:28:46 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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