[jimfree]

That's fine, but no, not all scientists are pure seekers after truth - nor are all politicians disinterested servants of the public good - nor are all preachers righteous and honest - nor are all soldiers heros - nor are all businessmen enterprising. Job descriptions are not character; we deal with men, not cartoons. And these men are perfectly indicative of the state of far too many modern "scientists". Modern politics manufactures rogues - it is its designed function and it achieves that purpose.

Jason I appreciate that but then I don't. You were trashing this guy and I said he was one that might be of good heart. You come back and tell me I am wrong because others are not, a situation that I am well aware of and have promulgated myself. Can't you just accept the point if it is true?

[JasonC]

I can accept points that are true, but your wanting me to accept it is not its truth.

Men being honest about this scandal acknowledge that politicization of science is a serious and widespread issue. See e.g. Derbyshire's recent columns at National Review. Men trying to pretend that all of science is pure and honest and fine and that such things never happen except for these half dozen reprobates - are pretending - and they know it.