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1 posted on 12/01/2009 9:01:19 PM PST by shove_it
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I gev up. What’s a “gev”?? Globally Enormous Vortex? Gargantuan Extraterrestrial Viper?


2 posted on 12/01/2009 9:07:15 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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So, he’s saying that GEV, Grid Enabled Vehicles or plug in cars are the latest “flash in the pan” but that the Prias batteries are the best buy but if you could get a Prias to run on CNG that would be even better.
With some clever little analogies about environmentalism as a religion. Now THAT, we knew.


7 posted on 12/01/2009 10:17:34 PM PST by dixjea
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Israel is going headlong into this technology (mostly for obvious reasons that have nothing to do with global warming)

They expect to be the first all-electric vehicle nation in the next 10 years:

http://www.betterplace.com/global-progress/israel/

“Better Place” is an Israeli startup that was recently purchased by SAP.


12 posted on 12/01/2009 11:10:13 PM PST by cookcounty ("Let us not hear of the honor of men - Let us bind them with the chains of the Constitution")
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I am not a trained expert, but I have been interested in alternative power sources and batteries for approximately 40 years. I am a tinkerer and have put together some odd creations. I have experimented some with Lithium Ion batteries.

Lithium Ion cells have a power to weight advantage over other types of rechargeable batteries, but they are very temperamental. This gives the ones you find in electronic devices such as phones, cameras, mp3 players and laptop computers have some advantages. In these types of application they can perform admirably.

When you try to use Lithium Ion cells in applications where you are storing and discharging greater amounts of power with higher voltages and amperage like in a car or even a scooter... the challenges are far greater and the temperamental nature of the individual cells becomes much more problematic and sometimes even dangerous. After one gets their hands a little dirty working with these cells it is not hard to imagine how it could take vast amounts of money find practical ways to use them in this type of application.

For example: If you are using just two cells in series and they are not well matched during charging and discharging and one of the cells is either overcharged or especially if it is allowed to be discharged too far... you find yourself with a permanently damaged battery. It is very easy to do. Often one cell used in series will discharge almost completely while the other cell still has lots of power left.

Even using them in small flashlights incorrectly can end up destroying many cells if you are not paying very close attention and checking on them frequently. I know they are spending millions trying to perfect lithium ion batteries for transportation uses, but they may never be truly practical or economical. There are good reasons why unlike Ni-cads, and NIMH cells, Li-Ion cells can not be found in your neighborhood convenience store.

Sorry to ramble on... but I don't think most people appreciate the challenges involved in using Li-Ion cells in all electric vehicles. I am skeptical that the governments goals will be met.

16 posted on 12/02/2009 1:20:15 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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Would that science could work with technology to generate innovation without greed and the lust for power getting in the middle of it!


17 posted on 12/02/2009 4:52:46 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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We are working on it.

Sandia National Labs.

41 posted on 12/03/2009 5:26:10 AM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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