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To: Stultis; Spike Knotts
Wrong. Mutation is random, selection is non-random.

The pressures exerted on the organism are what then? Planned? Designed? Controlled?

The whole idea of Darwinian evolution, after noting that organisms vary, is that survival and reproductive success depends on how well the particular mix of variations an organism possesses adapts it to these purposes.

And explain how that process is not due to random influences.

But you're suggesting exactly the opposite: that evolution instead requires organisms to survive, successfully reproduce (and therefore be available to be preserved as fossils) even if, or without regard to whether, they are monstrously maladapted?!

It doesn't read that way, not that there should be lots of examples of a mutation that doesn't work because they were maladapted. But there appear to be no examples of failed mutations, monstrosities, as it were, in the fossil record. Could you explain how all the fossils that are found are found in their complete and fully functional form?

77 posted on 12/02/2009 5:11:12 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Great tactic.....understand little, but ask a lot of asinine questions.

The pressures exerted on the organism are what then? Planned? Designed? Controlled?

The pressures are.....environmental. If you want the environment to be controlled, designed, or planned....exit the science world.

And explain how that process is not due to random influences.

....explain how it IS due to random influences. The process is what it is. The stimulus is random and not random. As in, once in a while a big freakin' meteor hits Earth randomly or a caldera erupts randomly.....random environmental stimulus. Generally it is non-random stimulus....as in, not much changes in the short-term.

It doesn't read that way

It reads EXACTLY that way....the guy's looking for fossils for a pterodactyl with bricks for wings as proof of evolution.....like there should be fossils all over the place of monstrocities and failed mutations.

But there appear to be no examples of failed mutations, monstrosities, as it were, in the fossil record.

....and why would there necessarily be fossils of failed mutations or monstrocities? First, there has to be the failed mutation/monstrocity....then the liklihood that the conditions were right for fossilization.....then a scientists 50 million years later stumbling upon it. The lack of monstrocity or failed mutation fossils says nothing about monstrocities existing or not. There are monstrocities and failed mutations RIGHT NOW....and they will never fossilize for future scientists to discover because the conditions are not right for them to fossilize.

Could you explain how all the fossils that are found are found in their complete and fully functional form?

....because they were completely functional animals when they died and conditions were right for fossilization. If transitional fossils are presented but you broad-brush claim they are bogus because they are fully functional, that does not mean they do not exist.....it means you will not believe they do and must stick to "everything that is fully functional must've always been exactly that way from the beginning" mentality. There are numerous transitional fossils in multiple layers of taxonomy....all fully functional...some with very clear gradual changes.

Whether you believe they are transitional or not is as irrelevant as them being fully functional.

87 posted on 12/02/2009 7:31:05 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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