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To: EternalVigilance; sitetest
I see nothing in the Constitution which gives authority to the government to decide what is sin. I do not see any Fedrool authority in anything except equity and justice. Each state shall be responsible for it's citizens, and to make laws according to their conscience. There is no mandate for conformity. The Fedrool Gum't is responsible for delivering the mail and guarding our shores. The Fedrool courts are to decide only those disputes involved within it's bailywick, or between citizens of various states or foreign elements.

Sin is sin. Abortion is sin. Driving 56 in a 55 is sin. Stealing is sin. Buggery is sin. Anything not specifically within the Will Of God is sin. I hope you create your utopia, but I'll pass. I don't want to live under your brand of jackboots, thanks.

I came onto this thread because EV has misstated and misrepresented the views of Sarah Palin, falling in line with Keyes attempted polarization.. I beginning to understand why you don't like her now. Your misdirection is noted.

You can't handle a pretty woman with brains and a spine, can you? What really huts is that she attracts large crowds, instead of filling a few tables in an elementary school library. I guess you can try to continue to pedal your lies and innuendos, but Keyes will never be anything but a small man trying to look big. My daughters got a chihuahua like that. Pontification was Don Quixote's fine suit, but at least he had a lance!

185 posted on 11/28/2009 8:35:01 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: WVKayaker
Wow.

I do not see any Fedrool authority in anything except equity and justice.

Nothing could more inequitable and unjust than excluding certain classes of persons from the constitutional protection of their very physical existence.

Frankly, you've abandoned every core principle of this free republic. Why, I have no idea. If it's due to your adoration of some politician, I truly pity you.

186 posted on 11/28/2009 8:47:30 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))
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To: WVKayaker
Dear WVKayaker,

Abortion is certainly a sin, but it's also a crime (although it isn't currently defined as one in the United States, but it was for a very long time).

Generally speaking, most countries at most times don't permit private killing in law. This is true of our country, too.

It's a fundamental right not to be unjustly killed. That's why we have laws against private killing. We name all private killings as various forms of unjustified homicide, ranging from crimes like negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter up to premeditated murder.

Even when someone kills in self-defense, that isn't a private killing, as it must be retroactively approved by the state acting on behalf of the society.

The right to take a life resides only in the state, and only to protect the society generally and the innocent specifically or to punish the guilty.

In the United States specifically, no one may the deprived of life except through the sanction of the state, and not without due process of law.

All other killing is a crime.

Abortion is private killing, and it is certainly without due process.

The state has an obligation - constitutionally imposed - to recognize the rights of every person and to protect those rights by equal application of law. Thus, each state is obligated to protect the life of unborn persons. In law.

That's what it says in the 14th amendment.

The federal nexus comes into play where a state refuses to perform its duties under the federal Constitution. The federal government may certainly intervene where state governments contravene the constitutionally-guaranteed rights of entire classes of persons within its borders.

Thus, in any state that refuses to protect in law the lives of unborn persons, the federal government has a constitutionally-mandated requirement to intervene.

Otherwise, the 14th amendment especially, and the 5th amendment, by incorporation, become a nullity.


sitetest

213 posted on 11/29/2009 6:28:37 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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