An email from Michael Mann containing contents of an eMail from Holdren to him:
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To: "Michael Mann" , "Tom Wigley"
From: "John P. Holdren"
Subject: Correspondence on Harvard Crimson coverage of Soon / Baliunas views on climate
Michael and Tom --
I'm forwarding for your entertainment an exchange that followed from my being quoted in the Harvard Crimson to the effect that you and your colleagues are right and my "Harvard" colleagues Soon and Baliunas are wrong about what the evidence shows concerning surface temperatures over the past millennium. The cover note to faculty and postdocs in a regular Wednesday breakfast discussion group on environmental science and public policy in Harvard's Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences is more or less self-explanatory.
Best regards,
John
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From: "John P. Holdren"
Subject: For the EPS Wednesday breakfast group: Correspondence on Harvard Crimson coverage of Soon / Baliunas views on climate
Colleagues--
I append here an e-mail correspondence I have engaged in over the past few days trying
to educate a Soon/Baliunas supporter who originally wrote to me asking how I could think
that Soon and Baliunas are wrong and Mann et al. are right (a view attributed to me,
correctly, in the Harvard Crimson). This individual apparently runs a web site on which
he had been touting the Soon/Baliunas position.
While it is sometimes a mistake to get into these exchanges (because one's interlocutor
turns out to be ineducable and/or just looking for a quote to reproduce out of context
in an attempt to embarrass you), there was something about this guy's formulations that
made me think, at each round, that it might be worth responding. In the end, a couple
of colleagues with whom I have shared this exchange already have suggested that its
content would be of interest to others, and so I am sending it to our "environmental
science and policy breakfast" list for your entertainment and, possibly, future
breakfast discussion.
The items in the correspondence are arranged below in chronological order, so that it
can be read straight through, top to bottom.
Best,
John
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Much more formatting needed ...go to the link I supplied above....
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
I’ve been meaning to tell you something specific, from which I know you will all get a good and hearty Rolling LOL but I keep getting slightly sidetracked by all the great finds here on FR and at wattsup, etc..so sorry for the delay.
I don’t have the precise email id #s handy right now but I’m absolutely positive that if you typed,
northern hemisphere southern hemisphere
in the search box at
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/index.php
you’ll be picking plenty of tasty, low-hanging fruit!!!
You can use “NH” and “SH”, too though you may need to add the word “numbers” or “temperatures” .
‘Cuz you see...when the northern hemisphere numbers didn’t fit in w/ the snot-nosed elitist piggies belief, they tossed them.
And used the southern hemisphere numbers, instead.
Problem solved.
Piece of cake.
I’ll try to find the exact file #s to ease your search efforts...but don’t wait for me, ;) (a wink, I think)