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Grand Canyon to change 'unfair' permit system
LufkinDailyNews.com ^ | 11/22/09 | Unknown

Posted on 11/23/2009 10:13:46 AM PST by originalbuckeye

FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. — Getting one of the roughly 11,500 permits granted each year to backpack overnight in the Grand Canyon has become so competitive and "unfair" that managers at the national park have decided to change the system.

Now those who want the coveted permits either show up in person or try their luck with mail or fax machines on the day the permits become available.

Those who go in person line up at the backcountry office starting early in the morning. Those who try to fax often are in for hours of constantly redialing because of the demand.

October and May are the most popular months for those seeking permits to camp most places below the rim, with nearly one of every two people denied.

National Park Service administrators at the Grand Canyon have decided the system is unfair because it favors those who live near the massive gorge or have the time and resources to fly there just to get a permit.

The agency is proposing to end the current system in February, making everyone in the world compete for advanced reservations by fax and mail only. Eventually the park also plans to move to an online reservation system.

Also, the Park Service is not allowing any more individuals to establish commercial backpacking businesses until the agency sorts out a larger plan for the backcountry.

"We're trying to provide better equity between locals and international visitors," said Barclay Trimble, a deputy superintendent.

Some of the 26 commercial outfitters who take customers on paid, guided backpacking trips in the canyon are unhappy with the proposal.

"It's going to cost some people some jobs. There's no doubt about it," said Blaine Stuart, manager of Angel's Gate Tours.

He and others say the park's move will cost them the ability to guarantee faraway customers their choice destinations far in advance, meaning they will lose business and sometimes be unable to obtain permits at all.

Wayne Ranney, who guides some trips commercially and backpacks the canyon in his free time, said he believes locals should have the best chance of hiking the canyon.

"To think of somebody from Cape Town, South Africa, having just as equal a chance as someone from Arizona or the United States — I know it sounds weird, but I don't think that's fair," he said.

Trimble said he doesn't think a new system will harm commercial


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To: mickey finn

Wet and cold - eight days of precipitation in twenty days (two four-day periods). Snow on the Canyon floor one morning. Frost and frozen standing water on several mornings. Flagstaff had about 5 inches of precipitation in December, 2008, all of it while we were on the river.

Normal highs at Phantom Ranch on the River are in the upper 50s in December with normal lows in the upper 30s. We had a few days at normal, but many days below.

Still a great trip. We saw no other parties after we passed Phantom Ranch (Day 11 of 20).

If I were to do it again, I think I would pick a December trip again to avoid the crowds. Biggest problem is that sunrise is a little after 7:00 am with sunset somewhere around 5:30 pm, so that daylight is at a premium.


41 posted on 11/23/2009 7:39:53 PM PST by bagman
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To: mickey finn

I was not involved in the lottery with which we won our permit, but we did win on the first attempt. The lottery is weighted so that the longer the applicant goes without winning, the great his chances become each year.

I’m not attempting to defend the present system. Maybe it could be done better. Camping space is limited on the River, so access has to limited using some methodology.

I also don’t understand Question 38. No one in our group of twelve had ever rafted the Grand Canyon before, although two of the participants did have professional guide credentials. We used an outfitter in Flagstaff for the equipment and food.


42 posted on 11/23/2009 7:47:46 PM PST by bagman
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To: bagman
From what I read December is a good bet since it is going to be cool and wet and most want to float during the warmer months. Sounds like fun despite the cold. Did you get to row any rapids?
43 posted on 11/24/2009 11:28:27 AM PST by mickey finn
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