Posted on 11/22/2009 10:25:50 AM PST by Cardhu
It dont take much to ruin a career in the military. This should sink a lot of officers and Senior NCOs careers into the briny deep.
I am sure that Burger King will hire one or two.
You thaid Preth TV’s newth wath traight, and I went for the bad pun on Thraight of Hormuth...
Just wait until the plan to put women aboard submarines is implemented. Everything will be fixed then.
This has been a few tough years for submariners.
First there was the boat that surfaced under a Japanese fishing/training vessel off Hawaii that killed a couple of students,
Then the San Fran ran into a sea mount and tore her nose off,
Now the Hartford.
There has also been some instances of crews radioing in watch reports and such and, worst of all, getting caught.
It’s getting a little sloppy out there.
I agree with you, any incident involving nuclear power is huge wake-up call for all concerned.
Having such negligence in that part of the world during what amounts to “wartime” is inexcusable.
The Capt’n of that sub should be relieved of command. The chain-of-command is in place and all are accountable for their actions whether it’s an E-1 or an O-6.
LOL — Try Google Earth they have it as Hormuz
That "failure of navigation practices" is bogus.
My thoughts also....diversity strikes again.......
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In this I see the typical pattern of absurdly overregulated activities, of which the military is the traditional paragon. The practitioners, in the reality of the event, could not possibly guide themselves by the the multitudinous and often contradictory regulations, and must make do with a large salting of personal judgement. When something goes wrong, the authorities invariably have a raft of violations to point to. It's ridiculous.
Uh...backwards.
USS Hartford SSN 768
USS New Orleans LPD 18
“Just wait until the plan to put women aboard submarines is implemented. Everything will be fixed then.”
Fasten your seatbelt. USNA announced service selection for the Class of 2010 this past week. Female midshipmen who have received Nuclear SWO but who have interest in the submarine service will be interviewed for that billet in January.
No doubt, Adm. Rickover is twirling in his grave.
The really sad part, is after that comment can you trust the results any investigation by the brass?
It is painfully obvious their precious diversity trumps reality and they would not be above lying to preserve it.
As a veteran, I’m amazed how that one comment turned my respect for the military on it’s head. I would honestly discourage any young man at this time from joining.
See post #2 and #4
I tend to agree they can come up with a whole host of regulations THAT are impossible ot carry out in real life.
This is what APF wrote:
“The crash between the USS Hartford and USS New Orleans on March 20 was a “catastrophic failure” of management and navigation practices on the Hartford, according to the report, large parts of which have been blacked out, obtained by the Navy Times.
The investigation revealed that sailors on board the USS New Orleans took a “lax” approach to navigating their vessel, with those assigned to keep watch often sleeping on the job.
The report described one navigator listening to his iPod and simultaneously taking an exam while on duty.
“This incident comes down to weak and complacent leadership, which led to inadequate planning and preparation of the crew,” the report said.”
It’s just that I have alot of affection for LPDs.
“Fair wind and a following sea.”
Good God. Are they crazy? I was in an attack squadron during the Seventies when I would think standards would have been even more lax, and I was petrified that I would nod off during mid watch ON A BASE ON A SUNDAY WITH NO FLIGHT OPS!
Maybe it is just me, but I can't see someone being on an attack sub, in the Persian Gulf, nodding off while on watch. Just can't see it.
On a related note, when I was on the Kennedy, they had a guy standing midwatch on the port quarter, and he fell asleep. His buddy came to talk to him, saw he was asleep, and dreamed up a great prank. He snuck over on his hands and knees, tied his buddy's shoelaces together, then went back into the ship and projecting his voice through the hatch said "Man Overboard! Man Overboard!" He said it just loud enough for his buddy to hear through his sound powered phones, and he leaped to his feet falling on his face in the process.
The only problem was someone up on the catwalk above heard the Man Overboard and raised the alarm. The entire task force awoke in the middle of the night and began recovery procedures.
Both sailors were court martialed.
..turned my respect for the military on its head...etc
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Yes, to have the Admiral in charge of the inquiry make that kind of statetment etc is in an essence indicting himself. He has to be part of the training mix that led to the situation.
Remember before USS Pueblo, if the Captain was ashore and the OOD screwed up bad enough to have it leave the ship, the CO could kiss his career goodbye...not exactly ‘fair’ but it sure showed who was the boss.
"Following Seas": Defined by Bowditch's American Practical Navigator as "A sea in which the waves move in the general direction of the heading."
Cool.
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/fairwinds.htm
Poor guys. I fell asleep in the back seat and thanked God that the ICS worked when I awoke so I could wake up the pilot.
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