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To: rbmillerjr

“I know the legislative process. 1 or 2 votes away from ending debate...after that it’s over. There are no other major hurdles. The Conference bill will pass.”

Sure there are major hurdles. Pelosi and Reid are going to want to keep pro-choice language in the bill. That’ll put the House in a dither and pro-lifers will join Republicans to defeat the conference report. In the Senate Ben Nelson has stated he would vote against the bill if it’s pro-choice. And Pelosi is going to want a public option to appease her left flank demanding it. But that would kill the bill in the Senate. It’s impossible to see how the two chambers can even begin to see eye-to-eye at this point. But who knows?

And just for the record—even if it passes, do you think the states won’t challenge its constitutionality? There are at least ten states prepared to challenge its mandates by citing the 10th amendment. This would definitely be challenged in the SC if it passes. So this is only one skirmish in what’s really a civil war—a cold one.


136 posted on 11/21/2009 9:46:50 PM PST by praepos
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To: praepos

“Sure there are major hurdles.”

No. The only major hurdle is 60 votes to stop debate.

“Pelosi and Reid are going to want to keep pro-choice language in the bill. That’ll put the House in a dither and pro-lifers will join Republicans to defeat the conference report.”

In the end they will fall on their swords and pass the holy grail without abortion rights. They underestand that Socialized medicine is the end game for socialism.

“And Pelosi is going to want a public option to appease her left flank demanding it.”

They can peel off a vote or two with the illusion of “states can opt out” or “trigger” gimmicks. They can comeback to change this later. The important thing is the bill pass...they are socialists, they are committed to the cause.

“do you think the states won’t challenge its constitutionality?”

Once you start socialism, you can’s stop it without violent conflict. There alot of things we do now that our not constitutional.


140 posted on 11/21/2009 10:00:20 PM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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