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To: NormsRevenge
Please DO NOT FALL for a David Espo Propaganda piece !
David Espo is a DNC mouthpiece.

Reid and the Obama state media hyped this vote because they needed a PR victory for this awful bill.

The fact this vote was this close should tell everyone how awful the bill is !
This vote to proceed to debate is usually a no brain-er not a nasty fight .
Th real fight in the floor debate so get ready top fight like HELL for the next three to four weeks !
Lieberman plans to filibuster any bill with a public option so its going to get real ugly.

32 posted on 11/21/2009 6:19:09 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: ncalburt

Yup,, Pay no attention to Amalgamated Propaganda..
&
Here’s to.. The uglier the better.. ;-)

It’ll make for a lot of good clips&quips for the next couple elction cycles.


43 posted on 11/21/2009 6:27:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: ncalburt

Thanks for the positive input, I needed that.


51 posted on 11/21/2009 6:38:14 PM PST by Kenny
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To: ncalburt
Lieberman plans to filibuster any bill with a public option so its going to get real ugly.

I don't trust Lieberman any more than any of the rest of these lying bastards.

BTW, Thanks, third party voters in MN!!

54 posted on 11/21/2009 6:40:45 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: ncalburt
This vote to proceed to debate is usually a no brain-er not a nasty fight . Th real fight in the floor debate so get ready top fight like HELL for the next three to four weeks !

97% of all bills that get to debate (which should have been stopped tonight), pass when the final vote is taken. WHAT MAKES ANYONE THINKS THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT WITH A VETO PROOF SENATE?
67 posted on 11/21/2009 6:47:52 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ncalburt

Lieberman should have put his money where his mouth is and voted ‘NO’ tonight.


89 posted on 11/21/2009 7:04:14 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'm from TEXAS -- what country are YOU from?)
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To: ncalburt

“...get ready top fight like HELL for the next three to four weeks!”

Let’s hope Americans rise to the call.

I fear they don’t fully understand what’s at stake.

This is one of the biggest game-changers in American history.

If it passes all of our lives will be much, much different than they have been.

At that point, we will all be property of the state. And I indeed do mean it literally.


114 posted on 11/21/2009 7:31:02 PM PST by Boucheau
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To: ncalburt
“Lieberman plans to filibuster any bill with a public option so its going to get real ugly.”

Exactly.

There's a disturbing thread of defeatism on FR this morning. Last night's vote meant nothing. The Dems are deeply divided. That's not a show, it's the truth. There probably isn't any bill they could write that could get 60 votes to end debate. From now on every amendment needs 60 votes which means that improving on Reid's pathetic work is going to be nearly impossible. For poor Harry the health care debate is likely to be the Hotel California, he can check in but he can never leave.

There are going to be bruising battles over abortion, financing, and the public option and in the end it will almost certainly be all for naught. Dems keep passing milestones, but they also keep kicking all the difficult cans further down the road. Before they can cross the finish line they'll have to pick them all up, and they can't.

Most conservatives seem to think that the Congressional debate is all a sham to give us hope of stopping the health care train so we can be bitterly disappointed. It's all a sham alright but we aren't the dupes in this scenario. The Dem left is the dupe. Nancy and Harry are trying desperately to convince their base that they gave health care their best shot. If they had any rabbits to pull out of a hat they would have done it a long time ago. They've got nothing and that's what they'll end up with.

Even if they pass something, Republicans will be the principal beneficiaries. Anything the Dems do can be undone with a big win in 2010 before it has time to do any great damage. A Republican House could give Obama a choice between unwinding Obamacare and shutting down the government. Everyone in Washington knows that shutting down the government to make good on a promise to cut Medicare is political suicide. With a good spanking in 2010, Obama won't dare go to the mat to keep his historic victory.

Be of good cheer.

207 posted on 11/22/2009 9:00:39 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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