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To: metmom
"Einstein and Hubble destroyed the infinite universe with their calculations and red shift observations."

Come on. Hubble's law states nothing about the size of the universe, it only addresses the observed rate at which objects within the observable portion of it are moving away from each other.

As for Einstein, he was instrumental in proving the Infinite (Closed) Universe. Relying on Newtonian physics Einstein found that the Infinite Closed Universe model is shown to fit all the data of the Hubble diagram better than the Big Bang. (The Infinite Closed System theory simply states that infinity is the boundary of the system thereby precluding the addition or subtraction of any energy into or out of the system.)

Within the field it is common knowledge that by applying general relativity and Newtonian physics Einstein found that the force of gravity between two point particles can be calculated. Utilizing this force and the Infinite Closed Universe model, the net force of gravity on a point particle, in arbitrary motion, due to the uniform mass distribution of the universe can then be calculated by an integration. The result is that the net force of gravity is found to be equal to the force of inertia. These calculations explain Newton's First Law, Newton's Second Law, and the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass. In addition, by the extension of Einstein's general relativity to two-body interactions Newton's Third Law is elicited.

157 posted on 11/21/2009 6:44:46 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law; GodGunsGuts

It is not widely accepted that the universe is infinite in size, but size was not what you were referring to when this conversation started.

In your post # 57 You stated....”However, Entropy does not imply that there can be no brief moments, even in a closed system, in which the order may be increased. It only establishes that the level of organization will trend toward some minimum value over time. The few billions of years life has been on earth, in the context of the infinite life of the universe, can manifest one of those brief moments.”

You clearly stated that you were talking about the lifespan of the universe as being infinite. It is not. Hubble’s redshift observations showed a beginning, as did Einstein’s equations. He finally removed the *cosmological constant* that he added to try to demonstrate an ageless universe, when Hubble’s redshift observations forced the issue.

The estimated age of the universe is currently between 13.5 and 14 billion years. A *few billion* years (guessing a minimum of three to qualify as “few”) is a much higher percentage of the life of the universe than a *brief moment*.

As far as the universe being infinite in size, you are apparently the odd one out on that thinking these days. Current theorizing is that it is indeed finite, which is would be anyway if it had a beginning. As a matter of fact, interestingly, there is speculation that the universe isn’t really as big as previously thought.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4250-tantalising-evidence-hints-universe-is-finite.html


160 posted on 11/21/2009 7:26:26 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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