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To: American Dream 246

Please note. You can not kill a Man-Bear-Pig. You just can’t.


2 posted on 11/20/2009 2:12:25 PM PST by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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There's billions of dollars for nonprofits and for-profits at stake here. An entire industry has grown up around this hoax. They won't go quietly.
5 posted on 11/20/2009 2:17:33 PM PST by colorado tanker (What's it all about, Barrrrry? Is it just for the power, you live?)
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"Would you hold still, please, Man-Bear-Pig?"
6 posted on 11/20/2009 2:18:49 PM PST by LayoutGuru2 (0BAMAC0RN)
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Question to all:

How influential was the work of these particular climatologists to the over all debate? Was their data widely used and disseminated? Were they respected leaders in the field?


36 posted on 11/20/2009 2:39:56 PM PST by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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Please note. You can not kill a Man-Bear-Pig. You just can’t.

True, but you CAN take the sheers to him to expose the naked inconvenient TRUTH.




Here's some excerpts from the emails:

From Michael E. Mann:

Dear Phil and Gabi,
I’ve attached a cleaned-up and commented version of the matlab code that I wrote for doing the Mann and Jones (2003) composites. I did this knowing that Phil and I are likely to have to respond to more crap criticisms from the idiots in the near future, so best to clean up the code and provide to some of my close colleagues in case they want to test it, etc. Please feel free to use this code for your own internal purposes, but don’t pass it along where it may get into the hands of the wrong people.


From Nick McKay:

The Korttajarvi record was oriented in the reconstruction in the way that McIntyre said. I took a look at the original reference – the temperature proxy we looked at is x-ray density, which the author interprets to be inversely related to temperature. We had higher values as warmer in the reconstruction, so it looks to me like we got it wrong, unless we decided to reinterpret the record which I don’t remember. Darrell, does this sound right to you?


From Tom Wigley:

We probably need to say more about this. Land warming since 1980 has been twice the ocean warming — and skeptics might claim that this proves that urban warming is real and important.


From Phil Jones:

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.


From Kevin Trenberth:

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.


From Michael Mann:

Perhaps we'll do a simple update to the Yamal post, e.g. linking Keith/s new page--Gavin t? As to the issues of robustness, particularly w.r.t. inclusion of the Yamal series, we actually emphasized that (including the Osborn and Briffa '06 sensitivity test) in our original post! As we all know, this isn't about truth at all, its about plausibly deniable accusations.


From Phil Jones:

The skeptics seem to be building up a head of steam here! ... The IPCC comes in for a lot of stick. Leave it to you to delete as appropriate! Cheers Phil
PS I’m getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data. Don’t any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act !


From Michael E. Mann:

Anyway, I wanted you guys to know that you’re free to use RC [RealClimate.org - A supposed neutral climate change website] Rein any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through, and we’ll be very careful to answer any questions that come up to any extent we can. On the other hand, you might want to visit the thread and post replies yourself. We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you’d like us to include.


From Phil Jones:

If FOIA does ever get used by anyone, there is also IPR to consider as well. Data is covered by all the agreements we sign with people, so I will be hiding behind them.


53 posted on 11/20/2009 3:11:00 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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Maybe he will become petrified in the rain-forest.


68 posted on 11/20/2009 4:48:13 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Pajama Blogger

What does man bear pig mean, it sounds stupid!


102 posted on 11/20/2009 7:11:06 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Pajama Blogger

Excelsior!


117 posted on 11/20/2009 8:32:21 PM PST by eyedigress
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