Amber-Trapped Spider Web Too Old for Evolution

ICR News ^ | November 20, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

[GodGunsGuts]

Ping!

[Jason Kauppinen]

The theory can and will be adjusted in the face of any new evidence.

It’s based on epistemology that recognizes the primacy of reality—not the primacy of an explanation (regardless of the source).

[metmom]

For Brasier and his colleagues to maintain that even a single generation of these spiders evolved prior to insects, they must also insist that spiders came up with silk glands, spinnerettes, and the instincts required to build symmetrical webs even to the degree of coating them with sticky insect-trapping droplets—all with no flying insects around to trap as prey. With no lunch as a payoff, wouldn't that generation of spiders have gone extinct?

One would think.

Kind of makes you wonder how all the web spinning equipment and instinct just happened to evolve before there was a use for it.

Oh, let me guess, it was one of those beneficial mutations just waiting around for the right conditions for it to be selected for.

[jagusafr]

Uh...well, what we MEANT to say was...

Yeah, okay. I still like hydroplate. That makes me one of those radical right-wing Christians the military is lousy with. Oh, well.

Colonel, USAFR

[Tribune7]

It’s based on epistemology that recognizes the primacy of reality

Even when the reality doesn't match it!!

Remember evolution = reality and reality = evolution!!

So you see, it is impossible for evolution not to reality.

And vice versa of course

Science!!

[rae4palin]

I anxiously await the point-by-point refutation of the above article by the evos. I’m sure I’ll STILL be waiting after the 50th comment.

Let me give it a try: Oh yeah! But still. You dumb religious hicks...ect...

And the navy guy will say, “This doesn’t prove the earth is 6,000 years old.”

[The_Victor]

Kind of makes you wonder how all the web spinning equipment and instinct just happened to evolve before there was a use for it. Oh, let me guess, it was one of those beneficial mutations just waiting around for the right conditions for it to be selected for.

Mosquitoes are far older than the timeframe being discussed in the article. There are plenty of flying insects that have nothing to do with flowering plants, and preceded said plants by millions of years.

[Red Badger]

God is a great engineer...................

[GodGunsGuts]

[GodGunsGuts]

Isn’t He though! Did you happen to catch the picture of the spider spinneretes just above???!!!

[Red Badger]

Not yet............

[demshateGod]

You’re just a liar.

[metmom]

Mosquitoes are far older than the timeframe being discussed in the article. There are plenty of flying insects that have nothing to do with flowering plants, and preceded said plants by millions of years.

Since male mosquitoes eat nectar from plants, what did they eat before flowering plants appeared on the scene?

[GodGunsGuts]

Full bird Colonel? Wow, I’m duly impressed, sir!!! It’s nice knowing that there are plenty of people just like you serving in our nation’s military. Former USMC myself. I was one of those enlisted guys that people like you get to order around :o)

God bless you for your service!

—GGG

[GodGunsGuts]

Amazing. They look like a power station! But we all know they got there by random mutations mindlessly guided by natural selection!

[RegulatorCountry]

Since male mosquitoes eat nectar from plants, what did they eat before flowering plants appeared on the scene?

They feted upon an unusually sweet substance emitted from primordial pond scum. It always goes back to pond scum.

[demshateGod]

We have a creator who knows our every thought, holds all the stars in their place, makes the earth spin and seasons change, knows what will work for our ultimate good and leads us down that path. Their creator is pond scum.

[The_Victor]

Since male mosquitoes eat nectar from plants, what did they eat before flowering plants appeared on the scene?

They are called "extrafloral nectaries". Non-flowering plants produce nectar from the leaf petioles, mid-rib or leaf margin.

[stormer]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081014134015.htm

Oldest flying insect fossil predates your spider by about 150,000,000 years. Oops.