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Multiverse theory—unknown science or illogical raison d’être? (multiverse invented to replace God?)
CMI ^ | Gary Bates

Posted on 11/18/2009 5:58:48 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: Natural Law
The old game that used to be played with infinite time is now being played with infinite space.

Why would you impose the limitations and constraints of human comprehension on a creation of God?

Why would you think I would? I'm neither playing nor advocating the playing of either the old or new game. What are you talking about?

101 posted on 11/19/2009 5:37:12 AM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: grey_whiskers

>We are in agreement, I think.

For the most part. I was using levels of regularity for my main criteria in comparing languages against “designedness,” we can also use natural-language for example:
English is akin to C/C++ in the regard that it [seems to] hold more exceptions than rules; especially in conjugation and pluralization. { mouse -> mice; house -> houses; goose -> geese; caboose -> cabooses & run -> ran; stand -> stood; eat -> ate; bake -> baked. } So no wonder English is such a difficult second language.

Japanese, on the other hand is VERY regular in respect to conjugation and pluralization. Pluralization is done implicitly when the subject is numbered or explicitly with the -tachi conjugation. ( I => Watashi; We/Us => Watashitachi.) and there are only two to four exceptions to the conjugation-rules (ie virtually none as compared to English).

Another “language” {I’m stretching the term a bit} that shows design would be Linear Algebra (Matrices & Vectors and such), which have a very regular extension/usage {even if the rules for, say, multiplication are a bit complex at first}.


102 posted on 11/19/2009 6:07:22 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

>If only that we were in the room while scripture was being written would we know the original intent of what the person who write it meant, or that the Holy Spirit would reveal and teach us these things.
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>NOT WILLING THAT NONE SHOULD PERISH

Actually I’ve always thought that particular passage is quite clear; God doesn’t _want_ to condemn ANY human to hell... it simply isn’t our [intended] place & it’s obvious that God places a lot of weight on our being made in His image. (Hell isn’t for humanity, but Satan and his demons.)

It’s a lot like parents saying that they don’t want to see their kid run over on the busy street down the block; God is saying that He doesn’t desire to condemn people. {Which you should give God thanks for because if I was God I wouldn’t be nearly as merciful.}


103 posted on 11/19/2009 6:12:32 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
“Metmom, angry? Not!...”

That was one one of the funniest comments I've read in a long time.

You are indeed the soul of wit.

104 posted on 11/19/2009 6:21:04 AM PST by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: GodGunsGuts
They seem to have a sense of humor anyway.
105 posted on 11/19/2009 6:25:25 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: freedumb2003
Freedumb2003...

You are missing the point here. Metmom, et al, have the gift of divine revelation and are infallible in their interpretation. They KNOW the truth. If you disagree with them on even the slightest point (not to mention the major points) you are an “evo-atheist” or some such crypto-pagan.

In the future, I would like you to accept that without any doubt they speak the eternal truth - that when they speak or post it is God's voice you hear and God's fingers on the keyboard.

106 posted on 11/19/2009 6:27:20 AM PST by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: Poe White Trash
Earth-Prime, of course.

However, there was also a Gardner Fox on Earth-C, the Captain Carrot universe (which was later reclassified as an alternate dimension, not an alternate universe).

107 posted on 11/19/2009 6:45:20 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“But the many worlds view asserts that there are parallel universes, one for each possibility. The multi-universe idea is a subset of this idea. But it goes further.”

—Wrong. The multi-universe he describes is completely independent of the many-worlds interpretation of QM. One is not a subset of the other - they have nothing to do with each other. Either one could be true and the other wrong, or both could be wrong, or both correct. (In some classification schemes the many-worlds interpretation is referred to as a “lvl 3 multiverse” and the idea that there are many universes each with different constants is a “lvl 2 multiverse”. Lee Smolin’s theory of “fecund universes” fits into that category.)

“Second, why cosmic inflation is used to support the multiverse notion is not understood by the writer of this article (me).”

—What’s being referred to is the “chaotic inflation theory”, another variant of a lvl 2 multiverse. Basically, pockets of dark energy within a universe producing new universes.

“Thirdly, string theory, or the theory that the universe might exist in multiple branes or dimensions, is presently completely unobservable and untestable. However, its advocates would also claim that it is not falsifiable, and therefore, it might be correct. To use this argument is completely circular in its reasoning and short on substance.”

—I challenge anyone to find a string theory advocate ever using such an argument.


108 posted on 11/19/2009 6:49:38 AM PST by goodusername
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To: freedumb2003

Shhhhh....everywhere you look, there are secularist scientists coming up with ways to replace God. See ‘em up there right now, Jerry? In their little black helicopters...on whisper-mode.

....because that’s what science is all about...finding ways to replace God.


109 posted on 11/19/2009 7:11:56 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Tanniker Smith

I forget — when was Earth-Prime discovered in the DC Universe? I have vague memories of some of DC’s stable of writers helping out the Flash (and thus Earth-One) back in the 70s using some kind of treadmill-like device to bridge the universes. Was Carmine Infantino revealed to be the villian?


110 posted on 11/19/2009 7:55:24 AM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"If, however, there are an infinite number of universes—with physical constants that vary from one to the next—our cosy neighbourhood isn’t only possible, it’s inevitable."

AKA the fallacy of appeal to probability.

The fallacy is often used to exploit paranoia.

111 posted on 11/19/2009 8:45:04 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; freedumb2003; metmom
"Metmom, angry? Not! "

What was under discussion when metmom was accused of being "angry"? Whatever it was, the discussion has now been redirected to whether or not metmom is angry. That's how that works.

112 posted on 11/19/2009 10:46:27 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS; GodGunsGuts

From everything I can tell, it goes back to a comment I made in post 45 to GGG about how science is being misused as a weapon with which to attack religion in general and Christianity in particular.

But of course that is too hot a topic because it is so blindingly obvious, so rather than address it, it’s better to attack the person who made the statement and deflect the argument so people either don’t see it or forget about what started the accusations in the first place.

Then all the focus is on a strawman that evos erected so as to waste creationists time knocking down instead of the actual issue, which is that science these days is being used as a weapon in the ideological was going on.

The worst part is, there’s very little objection heard from the evos on this forum about this misuse of science, which implies tacit agreement with what’s going on.

Evos themselves say that silence equals approval and consent.


113 posted on 11/19/2009 11:19:40 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; YHAOS; GodGunsGuts

Ack... fumble fingers.....

ideological was going on.= ideological war going on.


114 posted on 11/19/2009 11:28:18 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
"Ack... fumble fingers....."

Spell check does have its limitations.

115 posted on 11/19/2009 11:59:49 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: starlifter; freedumb2003
Another courtesy ping avoided by the evos. Par for the course.

You are missing the point here. Metmom, et al, have the gift of divine revelation and are infallible in their interpretation. They KNOW the truth. If you disagree with them on even the slightest point (not to mention the major points) you are an “evo-atheist” or some such crypto-pagan.

In the future, I would like you to accept that without any doubt they speak the eternal truth - that when they speak or post it is God's voice you hear and God's fingers on the keyboard.

Is that anything like when the evos tell creationists how God did everything in the book of Genesis by using evolution and lots of time, and telling creationists that they're wrong if they read it differently and that they're cultists if they do?

Of course, it is, but I don't expect you to see that or acknowledge it if you do.

116 posted on 11/19/2009 12:02:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: YHAOS

Especially if the word you misspelled was spelled correctly.


117 posted on 11/19/2009 12:04:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: D Rider; GodGunsGuts
If universes are finite entities, but the number of them are infinite then the problem is solved, we don't need God for life. We are just one of the lucky universes in an unlimited number of them.

We have no proof the Universe is finite. Every day we look deeper and deeper, and all we find is more and more. Our 'problem' with dark matter comes from the fact that the 'mass' we calculate for the Universe is based on the assumption that all we currently 'see' is all there is. Which, again, we prove every day is completely wrong.

118 posted on 11/19/2009 12:27:32 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: freedumb2003; metmom

Remember. It is possible to read anger into the words of others, especially if (as in this case) you are lacking the facial expressions and tone of voice that usually accompany a conversation.


119 posted on 11/19/2009 12:45:56 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: metmom

It is science that is being attacked by ininformed people who try to wrap religion up as science.


120 posted on 11/19/2009 12:51:35 PM PST by Wacka
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