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Zinc Dimes, Counterfeit Tungsten Gold And Lost Interest
The Market Oracle ^ | 11-18-2009 | Jim Willie CB

Posted on 11/18/2009 2:21:29 PM PST by blam

Zinc Dimes, Counterfeit Tungsten Gold And Lost Interest

Commodities / Gold & Silver 2009
Nov 18, 2009 - 11:40 AM
By: Jim_Willie_CB

In 1964 the USGovt introduced the zinc dimes clad with silver. They at least admitted the debauchery publicly. Now pre-1964 silver coins are all considered different, and valued differently too, higher. Rome committed the same coinage fraud 1900 years ago.
Their Empire went bust as the city burned almost concurrently. Ayn Rand is a guiding light for Alan Greenspan, the enabling destroyer of the US banking system, destroyer of the US household archipelago, and dispatcher of the US industrial base to Asia.
He is the hero icon worshipped by Wall Street. The irony is thick, that his career was spent following Old Europe orders that delivered the slow motion coup de grace to the American Empire.

Ayn Rand wrote "If you want to know when a society is set to vanish, watch the money. Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owner a counterfeit pile of papers."
The Chinese are learning this lesson the hard way, challenged to convert their USTreasury Bonds and USAgency Mortgage Bonds into true wealth before the paper becomes worthless and untradable.
Actually, the bonds will eventually be redeemed by the USFed with newly printed money, when an avalanche occurs of foreigners seeking redemption en masse.
For almost ten years they have been exchanging their finished products to the US & West for paper with ink on it, a veritable counterfeit pile of papers. The Chinese are cashing in on their paper, trading it for new global power.

NEW TUNGSTEN MINE DISCOVERY

The tungsten deposits come in very high grade ore, located in shallow rectangular deposits dispersed widely across the world, segregated in unusual vault heap leach mineralizations.
Yes, these guys are leeches! In October, the Hong Kong bankers discovered some gold bars shipped from the United States were actually tungsten with gold plating.
This is the exact same Modus Operandi as the silver clad zinc dimes from 45 years ago. History repeats itself. The parallels to mortgage bond fraud with either subprime borrowers or multiple property titles used in bond securitization is easy to spot.
A consistent theme runs through the American management of finance and dissemination of fraudulent assets on a global basis. Tungsten gold bars is a feat difficult to surpass. Credit must be given for not leaving any potential for fraud untapped.

The Goldman Sachs front running of NYSE trades with their Unix box is just icing on the cake. Fortunately for them, the FBI hustled the whistle blower off and painted him as a Russian marauder of criminal type.
Actually, the front running flash trade device is more like icing on the cake whose main body is the naked shorting of bank stocks done by Wall Street firms, whose protector in the USDept Treasury ordered a halt in the practice after they had finished shorting and needed help from the market in covering. Thus the Banned Bank Short List.
What a complete comedy of corruption the US financial assets have become. So word comes of tungsten permeating the banking system. It appears the syndicate might be opening the floodgates for the bankers of the world to begin an attempt to corner the light bulb market!!

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KEYWORDS: commodities; currency; gold; money
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To: blam

21 posted on 11/18/2009 3:01:44 PM PST by jaydubya2
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To: Daisyjane69

Yes there was an article this one I bet

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14996.html

Also worth reading

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/11/whats-fed-hiding.html

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/kirby/2009/1009.html

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/10/gold-market-reaching-breaking-point.html

http://www.scribd.com/word/embed/21133990


22 posted on 11/18/2009 3:02:14 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Sacajaweau

Nickels always seem so useless...That’s a coin that should be discontinued....

along with the stupid penny. The $4.99 and $6.99 and $1999.99...Duh...Like I think we figured it out!!


It’s time once again to trot out my currency and coinage reform proposal.

Given that there has been ample inflation on the order of 10 since the last change, and we have an excessive array of confusing coins and low-value currency, it is time for a practical simplification.

First, denominations need to proceed in a proportional way without large value ratios or crowded ratios. The classic 1-5-10-50-100... progression with ratios of 2.0-5.0 is ideal as a minimum, with denominations of 2, 20, etc. being optional for important valuations.

Second, we want to avoid coins of such low value that they are more trouble than they are worth. Economic waste occurs with the extra time wasted dealing with needlessly small coins. A dime is worth less than a minute of labor at minimum wages, and no currency transaction requires anything smaller than this denomination. The penny and the half-cent served well as the smallest denominations when their values were that of today’s dime. Note that electronic transactions are often conducted in smaller units than our smallest coin, and that cash registers have been “rounding” (without bias up or down) to the nearest small coin for sales tax purposes for generations.

Third, we want to set the coin/currency transition at a practical level that avoids our wallets being overstuffed with small bills, or our pockets with too many coins. Coins should be suitable for purchases like a magazine, a coffee, a lunch, or a brief cab ride.

Fourth, the ratio between the largest and smallest coin should be limited to a practical factor. Consider that the economy functions effectively with coins at 0.05, 0.10, and 0.25, with pennies treated as trash, and larger coins generally not used. That is a factor of 5 between the largest and smallest coin. A factor of 10-50 may be ideal, and a factor of 100 (as in actual current coinage) is excessive.

Fifth, we need bills of adequately high value for large cash purchases (consider the largest Euro note has a value of about 7.5 times that of the largest US note.)

Sixth, coins should be sized approximately proportional to their value for ease of recognition and use.

The proposal:

Coins:
$0.10 (slightly smaller than the current dime)
$0.50 (slightly smaller than the current nickel, larger than the penny)
$1.00 (slightly smaller than the current quarter dollar, larger than the nickel)
$5.00 (slightly smaller than the current half-dollar) Or it could be set at $2 to avoid overlap with a $5 note.

Currency Notes:
$5 (optional)
$10
$20 (optional)
$50
$100
$500

Our current 6 coins are replaced with 4.
Our current 7 notes are replaced with 4-6.

If you want to talk about making coins out of silver or gold, that’s another topic.


23 posted on 11/18/2009 3:10:54 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (“Personal freedom begins when you tell Old Mrs. Grundy to go to Hell.” -Lazarus Long)
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To: GraceG
Or am I totally off base here?

Nope. I had the same thought.

24 posted on 11/18/2009 3:15:15 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: blam

I gotta go get some tomorrow and I’m stopping at the grocery store tonight for pumpkin.


25 posted on 11/18/2009 4:07:39 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Beelzebubba

Based on curent prices, a pre 64 quarter is worth over $3.00


26 posted on 11/18/2009 4:53:53 PM PST by D Rider
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To: D Rider

Copper is most valuable today in the form of a FMJ bullet. If you have enogh FMJ, you may not have to worry about the price of gold.


27 posted on 11/18/2009 6:43:41 PM PST by libertyhoundusnr
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To: D Rider

28 posted on 11/18/2009 7:06:33 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Beelzebubba
It’s time once again to trot out my currency and coinage reform proposal.

That proposal of your has the smell of democrat. Are you admitting that you want the current administration to continue their nonsence forever?

29 posted on 11/19/2009 4:21:01 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: An Old Man

That proposal of your has the smell of democrat. Are you admitting that you want the current administration to continue their nonsence forever?


Huh? Please explain.


30 posted on 11/19/2009 4:22:13 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (“Personal freedom begins when you tell Old Mrs. Grundy to go to Hell.” -Lazarus Long)
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To: Beelzebubba
Ayn Rand wrote "If you want to know when a society is set to vanish, watch the money. Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owner a counterfeit pile of papers."

Your proposal does nothing more than to facilitate the destruction of the currency, by making it easier to count change. I would prefer the old way. Although I ust admit that toting $500 or $1,000 in gold coin was a bit much after awhile.

31 posted on 11/19/2009 4:35:58 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: An Old Man

Your proposal does nothing more than to facilitate the destruction of the currency, by making it easier to count change. I would prefer the old way. Although I ust admit that toting $500 or $1,000 in gold coin was a bit much after awhile.


Pal, the currency is ALREADY destroyed. I just propose that we admit it, and not burden ourselves with ridiculous monetary units.


32 posted on 11/19/2009 4:37:29 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (“Personal freedom begins when you tell Old Mrs. Grundy to go to Hell.” -Lazarus Long)
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To: Beelzebubba
Your proposal does nothing more than to facilitate the Further destruction of the currency, by making it easier to count change.

Are you happy now?

33 posted on 11/19/2009 4:51:24 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: An Old Man

Nothing destroys a currency like being able to count change, huh?


34 posted on 11/19/2009 4:55:28 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (“Personal freedom begins when you tell Old Mrs. Grundy to go to Hell.” -Lazarus Long)
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