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To: GodGunsGuts
Ooooo....Lyin' Brian Thomas MS* tripe.

Irreducible complexityis nothing more than a manufactured term and notion, made-up by ID/YECers, to be used as an argument in a debate they think can be won and is being won by them by simply saying "we established an artificial lower limit, scientifically proving that God did it"....nothing more.

The very structure of these systems--with their interdependent parts working all together or not at all--demands design, not chance.

False conclusion, Brian.

The fact that non-functioning "machine parts" are invisible to Darwinian selection is exactly what design theorists have observed.

You, Brian, don't even understand what you're talking about. The researchers posited that the non-functioning parts actually had a function in bacteria, but you need it to be different so you could set up a false conclusion.

Plans and purposes, however, are only known to arise from intelligent planners, never from mindless and chaotic laws of matter.

False statement, Brian. Given 4 billion years, proteins have plenty of time to be chaotically and randomly generated to have a function.....or mutated to have a slightly different function, or mutated a bajillion times over millions of generations to have a completely different function. Mutations change the protein's primary, secondary, and/or tertiary structure....changes the protein function for good/bad.

Instead of relying on unknown "self-organizing" principles and magical impossibilities to have constructed the living world, scientists can instead rely on Acts 4:24: "Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is." Thus, a real, effectual, adequate Cause is responsible for irreducible molecular machines such as mitochondrial transport complexes.

BWAAAAhahahahaha.....translated: "Instead of paying attention to what I, with my uber-scientific edumacation, will deem to be 'magic'....pay attention to MY brand of 'magic'"

....but speaking of mtDNA, Brian, what's the YEC reason for mitochondrial DNA being entirely different than the rest of the DNA in ALL animals? LOVE to hear it...

63 posted on 11/17/2009 7:22:37 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

Evolution ignorance knows no bounds, and most are just conformists and bandwagoneers.

Your criticism might carry more weight if you actually read and understood the position of those you deride.


65 posted on 11/17/2009 9:56:26 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: ElectricStrawberry; BrandtMichaels; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; RoadGumby; Natural Law
False statement, Brian. Given 4 billion years, proteins have plenty of time to be chaotically and randomly generated to have a function.....or mutated to have a slightly different function, or mutated a bajillion times over millions of generations to have a completely different function. Mutations change the protein's primary, secondary, and/or tertiary structure....changes the protein function for good/bad.

OK, where did the first proteins come from?

is it not true that proteins must be synthesized?

What synthesized them? Where did the mechanism to produce them come from and from what is IT comprised?

66 posted on 11/17/2009 10:21:59 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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