Posted on 11/16/2009 6:19:30 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
I just noted that google shows where you get your quotes. You just regurgitate from the creation websites.
I have not regurgitate or quoted any web page.
I find it hard to believe that you do not frequent the creationists’ websites.
I simply stated the truth, I didn't claim it as my own. Definitions are definitions. It's pretty difficult to maintain the integrity of the definition if it is reworded. I suspect that you, like your mentor GGG, would have preferred that I make it up so long as I used my own words. You would have a whole lot more credibility if you showed equal concern when confabulated "Bravo Sierra" is posted. Since you you found it necessary to corroborate my post you; a) didn't agree with it, and b) found it substantiated.
My recent post is accurate and I assume you agree with it because you do not dispute it.
So, you still say that animals change to become other than they are now, a different kind. Silliness.
A wolf into a chihuahua is possible because both are dogs. The genes for all the secialized forsm are present in the original, just bred for over the years. Specialization like that actually REMOVES genetic information from the animal.
While I do call small dogs rat-dogs, in amillion years, they will NOT mutate into rats, they will be dogs.
Show the common ancestor of the sheep and cow AND the intervening forms that common ancestor went through to differentiate into 2 separate and distinct animals, which CANNOT be interbred now.
News Flash, God IS the Intelligent Designer. Praise God that that is true!
God designed all that is, intelligently and with purpose. And God (not some mysterious unknown designer) is NOT dead at all, but lives.
Take all your basic building blocks, in your primordial soup and jumble, mix, mash, mutate, rearrange, combine, recombine, react, and so on. There is noway, statistically to make it work that just exactly the correct, right, needed permutation of the elements, molecules come together and make life.
Life was designed, intelligently, by God.
It’s no sham, nice try. For me at least, it is making the idea that you are a CREATED being (does that scare you?) a little more palatable to those who would deny the existence and presence of God.
So are you saying a wolf has lots more genes than a dog? Do you have any evidence for that?
Number of? Not what I was saying. But the Variablilty present in the original dogs has been bred down to specific traits.
Breeding for a ‘pure’ trait will remove the variability that was initially present. AND, in any case, it is still a dog.
You said "The genes for all the secialized forsm are present in the original." What did you mean by that, if not that the original had more genes than the specialized forms do? Where was the "variability that was initially present" stored, if not in the genes?
OK, short version of this.
Male parent - traits for legs X= longer O = shorter
Female Parent - Same traits.
They BOTH have the vaiability to produce either shorter or longer legged offspring. Their offspring have the possibility of:
1 XX
2 XO
1 OO
If you are breeding for a shorter legged animal, you select those that are OO and breed them to produce the traits you wanted. In doing so, you have specialized them, removing the variability. There is NO more X trait, a net loss.
So if all the chihuahua info is available in the wolf, and the traits combine as you say, how come we never see any chihuahua-sized or dachshund-shaped wolves?
LOL, what kind of circular ‘logic’ are you using to form these questions? To paraphrase yours:
“If all the information for all of todays dog breeds was not present at some point in their wild ancestors, where did it come from?”
Mutations and other genetic changes. Short version: wolf gene is STEP. A mutation changes that to STOP. New information, new breed.
There is NOT a wolf gene, try again. A wolf is an organism that is composed of cells within which are MILLIONS(?) of genes.
Now you're just being evasive. I was using an example along the lines of your #155. Let me expand it a little and see if you can follow it:
You posited a trait for long legs, X.
Let's let the word STEP represent the gene that controls that trait.
A small mutation in that gene turns it into a new word, STOP. Presto, new information. And maybe STOP turns out to control the trait for short legs.
You asked me where the information would come from. A process something like that is where the theory of evolution says it would come from. And mutations of that general sort have been observed many times.
Now, you insist that all the information necessary to make a chihuahua is already in the wolf. Where is it, if it's not in additional genes, and why does it never make a chihuahua-sized wolf?
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