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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...
This is what predominates when the materialists start getting the upper hand. CS Lewis had it nailed when he said:

"To some it will appear that I am inventing a factitious difficulty for my Conditioners. Other, more simple-minded, critics may ask, `Why should you suppose they will be such bad men?' But I am not supposing them to be bad men. They are, rather, not men (in the old sense) at all. They are, if you like, men who have sacrificed their own share in traditional humanity in order to devote themselves to the task of deciding what `Humanity' shall henceforth mean. `Good' and `bad', applied to them, are words without content: for it is from them that the content of these words is henceforward to be derived."

3 posted on 11/16/2009 8:49:00 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
As a blatant materialist, I object. How can you be said to have "ownership" over someone else? Their free will would abnegate any claim you would try and make over their life...

Marxists are not materialists. Their God is the Collective and they are It's priest-class.

22 posted on 11/16/2009 10:41:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


23 posted on 11/16/2009 11:30:57 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
Or maybe it comes from the Protestants,

In his controversy with Erasmus, who defended free will, (Martin) Luther frankly stated that free will is a fiction, a name which covers no reality, for it is not in man's power to think well or ill, since all events occur by necessity. In reply to Erasmus's "De Libero Arbitrio", he published his own work, "De Servo Arbitrio", glorying in emphasizing man's helplessness and slavery. The predestination of all future human acts by God is so interpreted as to shut out any possibility of freedom. An inflexible internal necessity turns man's will whithersoever God preordains.

I confess that this summary comes from the Catholics.

25 posted on 11/16/2009 1:02:28 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s right, liberals can’t be bothered too much with concepts of good and bad or judgment, so they stomp their feet, hijack the legal system to attack Christianity, God, Christians, conservatism and anyone and anything that threatens their senseless sensibilities.


30 posted on 11/17/2009 2:34:50 PM PST by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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