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Obama urges Congress to put off Fort Hood probe (Obama's hiding something)
AP ^ | 11/14/2009 | PHILIP ELLIOTT

Posted on 11/14/2009 7:23:36 AM PST by tobyhill

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To: tobyhill

Translation:

I’ve got too much riding on my outreach to several middle eastern countries, and I can’t afford to have disruptive, rancorous congressional hearings interfere with my unprecedented, unparalleled, extremely well thought out, superior, bow down before me effort. I hope Joe Lieberman has his hearings, and I’m confident the Connecticut Independent Senator will do a great job.


41 posted on 11/14/2009 8:02:01 AM PST by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: Paladin2

I wouldn’t be so quick in blaming the FBI. They are doing what the micr0manager has instructed them to say and do.


42 posted on 11/14/2009 8:03:28 AM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Diogenesis

That pretty much sums it up for me, Diogenesis. Thanks.


43 posted on 11/14/2009 8:04:43 AM PST by manic4organic (Obama shot hoops, America lost troops.)
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To: tobyhill

What a complete dork...the Kenyan needs to be removed from the WH...


44 posted on 11/14/2009 8:06:29 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: tobyhill

Two separate times we heard the first day—either one or two others were shooting in addition to Malik Handjob—The count of dead and wounded certainly lend credence to at least one other person. What happened to them?


45 posted on 11/14/2009 8:11:02 AM PST by Mac from Cleveland (Dreams from My Father--(food, shelter, and education from some typical white folks)
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To: OldDeckHand

I hate to say it, but if you have to balance a perfect military trial against bringing out the truth that this was yet another instance of Muslim Jihad against America, then I think bringing out the truth is more important.

Not only that, but I’m not sure that there IS such a thing as a perfect court martial in such a politically fraught case as this. It’s obvious that Hasan’s superiors were guilty of ignoring clear warning signs that he represented a dangerous threat, as well as being a lousy psychiatrist who could only damage his patients. Yet they promoted him instead of brooming him out.

We know that the FBI is in coverup mode, as usual, and I’m sorry to say that the same will be true of the military, especially with Obama and his flunkies exerting extreme pressure from above not to mention the Islamic angle.

Obama’s position is that Muslims are kindly patriots, who have done more to advance American civilization than Christians or Jews. If anyone at the very top is responsible for this disastrous mistake, it was Bush, not Obama. Bush and his idiot spokesman at the Pentagon, Gordan England, put into place the policy of advancing Muslims in the military as hard as possible, and damn the consequences. Which is not to say that Obama won’t be far worse, since he does it deliberately, and Bush through misplaced decency.


46 posted on 11/14/2009 8:12:17 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: tobyhill

President Barack Obama on Saturday urged Congress to hold off on any investigation of the Fort Hood rampage

He just can’t squeeze it into his personal planner.


47 posted on 11/14/2009 8:17:21 AM PST by savage woman
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To: OldDeckHand
I'd think that the legal case against Hasan is fairly robust, there being no shortage of witnesses and physical evidence. The prosecuters should be able to secure a conviction regardless of the Congressional investigation.

One suspects that Obama's concern over Congressional hearings relates less to the legal implications and more to the political.

48 posted on 11/14/2009 8:20:42 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: tobyhill

What is the Traitor In Chief hiding?


49 posted on 11/14/2009 8:27:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: OldDeckHand

The role of congress would not be to investigate the crime itself - the prosecutors will do that. What congress needs to investigate iswhat was know about Hasan before the crime, who failed to connect the dots, and what role PC had in allowing this guy to slip through the cracks.

The prosecutors are not going to address these issues.


50 posted on 11/14/2009 8:29:31 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: tobyhill; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33

51 posted on 11/14/2009 8:38:21 AM PST by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Cicero
"I hate to say it, but if you have to balance a perfect military trial against bringing out the truth that this was yet another instance of Muslim Jihad against America, then I think bringing out the truth is more important."

It's a capital case. So, the level of scrutiny given to it by an appellate court is maximized. More than anything, I want to see this guy get the needle. And, as I said, that's not going to happen, nor is the appellate process going to be over until long after Obama' tenure is but a memory.

The Congressional hearings, in and of themselves, are fine with respect to UCI. Our elected officials in the Legislative branch can say anything they wish without jeopardizing the trial. It's who they call, and what questions they ask that may become problematic. So long as they didn't call any of the command staff at Ft. Hood, or the Army Chief-of-Staff, or SecDef (all of whom shouldn't even mention Hasan by name), then they should be fine.

But, one thing that's not debatable, a Congressional hearing is of much greater benefit to the defense, than to the prosecution. The Vietnam-era Calley case, is clearly illustrative of this. Whatever evidence is developed in those hearings, becomes available to the defense. And specifically, whatever evidence is developed about Hasan's state-of-mind, becomes available to the defense. Depending on the testimony, Hasan could come off as a real whack-job, laying the foundation for a possible affirmative defense called Lack of mental responsibility. Hasan then spends the rest of his long life in a comfy institutionalized setting, rather than at Ft. Leavenworth awaiting the gurney & needle.

Like you said, if your willing to trade the desired sentence of death for something more political, so be it. I personally think you can have both, if Congress shows a little patience.

52 posted on 11/14/2009 8:44:44 AM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: tobyhill

What stakes might those be, Obama?


53 posted on 11/14/2009 8:47:09 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Plutarch; BigBobber
"I'd think that the legal case against Hasan is fairly robust, there being no shortage of witnesses and physical evidence. The prosecuters should be able to secure a conviction regardless of the Congressional investigation.

One suspects that Obama's concern over Congressional hearings relates less to the legal implications and more to the political."

I'd direct you both to post #52. I address both your points in that response.

I agree about Obama's motivations. Unfortunately, in this singular instance, Obama's motivations happen to coincide what's best in the interest of justice.

You may or may not recall the push-back that the Bush White House gave to Congress when the Abu Grahib story broke. Congress waited until the completion of the Article 15-6 investigation (more commonly known as the Taguba report). And, portions of that report remain classified today. Many on the left criticized Bush and the Congress for dragging their feet to avoid the political fallout. But, Bush & Rumsfled were appropriately worried about the impact of the hearings on the prosecutions for the crimes, not the political fallout.

Congress should wait again, until the Army completes it's Article 32 investigation and hearing until wading into this mess.

54 posted on 11/14/2009 8:55:48 AM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Congress should stay out of it, at least until the investigation is complete, and I would add until the trial is over as well.

I agree with that sentiment....

.....It's just that Obama and the RATS would jump at the chance to have a show trial if Bush were still POTUS, and now Zero wants to wait.

It's a game for the political folks in Washington. The hypocrisy is thick on this issue.

55 posted on 11/14/2009 9:00:10 AM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: shadeaud

Obama is right in this case. Nothing could hose prosecution more than a Congressional side show with these guys grand-standing. The JAG Corps at Fort Hood are taking this very seriously and are working with all the resources at their disposal to do things properly. They need time to do their jobs without political show-boating getting in the way. There will be plenty of opportunity for congressional investigations AFTER Hasan’s trial.


56 posted on 11/14/2009 9:44:29 AM PST by RochesterFan
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To: tobyhill

By the time the G-men get done with those witnesses, there will be nothing but planted evidence for Congress to investigate.


57 posted on 11/14/2009 9:46:09 AM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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