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To: mountn man

Your mileage may vary. Something has to bother you before you’ll take the action necessary to dig deeper. I was bothered by the “fact” that billions of people would be burning in an eternal hell, all from a “loving” God who commands us to forgive our enemies. It doesn’t add up, I don’t care who says it does. If that bothers you too, you can find more info by Googling 1 Timothy 4:10. I also learned a lot at www.tentmaker.org.

If it doesn’t bother you - carry on. I’m not out to convince anyone of this, nor will I be convinced that it’s wrong. Like I said, your mileage may vary.


210 posted on 11/14/2009 11:38:18 AM PST by badbass
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To: badbass
This is the best I have found explaining 1 timothy 4:10
I understand your issue with a "loving" God who commands us to forgive and yet condemns people to a burning hell. Do a study on Gods Holiness or Rightiousness. When I say study, I really mean a lifelong study (just these postings alone require me to study more and deepen my understanding AND my faith. Also, something I have been doing more lately, pray that God would show you what it really means to "fear" him. The Bible talks about "the fear of the Lord". Just introspection as I type this makes me see the sin in my life, versus the purity of God, and humbles me. A step further in fearing the Lord. It is through understanding Gods Holiness and/or fearing God that one can understand, or at least begin to wrap their arms around the idea of a loving God condemning people to a tormenting hell.

I haven't had an AHA! moment. Its been a gradual understanding, that as I type I realize that I'm just scratching the surface of a scratch in understanding who God is. But it makes knowing God with each step sweeter.

And now the link and explanation of 1 Tim 4:10 An Exegetical Study of 1Timothy 4:10

NONSOTERIOLOGlCAL-SOTERlOLOGICAL INTERPRETATION (FREE GRACE SALVATION).

A. This is the correct interpretation. It is found by making a thorough study of the term "Saviour" (in both its noun and verb forms1) in the context of the chapter, the epistle, the New Testament and the Old Testament.2 The final phrase "specially of those that believe" clearly Indicates that the term is here given a twofold application. Of all men God is the Saviour, but of some men, namely, believers, He is the Saviour in a deeper, more glorious sense than He is of others. This clearly implies that when He Is called the Saviour of all men, this cannot mean that He imparts to all everlasting life, as He does to believers. The term "Saviour," then, must have a meaning which we today generally do not immediately attach to it. And that is exactly the cause of the difficulty. Often In the Old Testament, the term meant "to deliver — (verbal form) or deliverer (nominal form)" — both with reference to men and God (cf. Judg. 3:9; II Kings 13:5; Neh. 9:27; Ps. 25:5; 106:21). Also, in the New Testament, reference is made to the Old Testament where God delivered Israel from the oppression of Pharaoh for He had been the Saviour of all, but specially those who believed. With the latter, and with them alone, He was "well pleased" (I Cor. 10:5). All leave Egypt; not all enter Canaan." POINT: In both the Old and New Testaments the term "Saviour" is often used to speak of God's providential preservation or deliverance which extends to all men without exception. (Cf. Ps. 36:6; 145:9; Matt. 5:45; Luke 6:35; Acts 17:25, 28.) Moreover, God also causes His gospel of salvation to be earnestly proclaimed to all men without distinction; that is, to men from every race and nation (Matt. 28:19). Truly the kindness (providence or common grace) of God extends to all. But even the circle of those to whom the message of salvation is proclaimed is wider than those who receive it by a true saving faith.

B. Conclusion. A paraphrase of what Paul is teaching in I Timothy 4:10 is this: "We have our hope set on the living God, and in this hope we shall not be disappointed, for not only is He a kind God, hence the Saviour (i.e., preserver or deliverer in a providential, non-soteriological sense) of all men, showering blessings upon them, but He is, in a very special sense, the Saviour (in a soteriological sense) of those who by faith embrace Him and His promise, for to them He imparts salvation, everlasting life in all its fulness.

THE LIVING GOD IS THE PROVIDENTIAL PRESERVER OF ALL MEN; BUT HE IS ESPECIALLY SO FOR BELIEVERS, FOR HE NOT ONLY PHYSlCALLY AND TEMPORALLY DELIVERS THEM, BUT HE ALSO SPIRITUALLY AND ETERNALLY SAVES THEM.

219 posted on 11/14/2009 2:07:31 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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