do I really have to say it???
Posted on 11/12/2009 4:25:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
GOUVERNEUR, NY - Despite the fact that Bill Owens has already been sworn-in and has voted on crucial legislation in the House of Representatives, he may not have actually won the NY-23 Congressional Special Election.
Several errors were made during the initial vote counts. Over 2,000 votes for contender Doug Hoffman were not counted in the preliminary results, narrowing the current vote gap to less than 3,000 votes between Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Doug Hoffman.
The errors were discovered during the standard vote recanvas that has been underway since November 4th. The largest error occurred in Oswego County where the vote recanvas found a discrepancy of more than 1,200 votes in Doug Hoffman's favor. Another error, in Jefferson County contributed an additional 700 votes in Hoffman's favor during the recount.
The election was close enough even on election night that the New York State Board of Elections was unable to present a "clear decision" in the race according to John Conklin, Communications Director for the department. He said that the Board sent a letter to the Clerk of the House of Representatives in Washington indicating that they could not yet determine a winner and could therefore not certify the election until after the recanvas and absentee ballot count. Those final numbers will not be available until at least mid-December.
Nancy Pelosi was only able to legally swear-in Bill Owens because Doug Hoffman had conceded the election, indicating that he did not contest the initial, and now shown erroneous, results, something he may not have done if he had been aware of how close the election was.
Mr. Hoffman told the Gouverneur Times that he felt at the time that he "was being a good sport" in doing so. With 93% of the polls in and counted and a margin of over 5,000 votes in favor of Owens, he felt he had lost the election. He now says that "while hindsight is 20/20, if I had known it was that close, I probably would have waited."
Bill Owens was sworn in 2 days later and proceeded to vote in favor of Pelosi's health care bill the following day. While Mr. Hoffman feels that deliberately contesting the results of the election to prevent Owens' deciding vote in the Health Care bill would "not have been very sportsmanlike," and that he, personally, would not like to see a politician manipulate events in that manner, he also indicated that the good of the American people and the citizens of the 23rd district would have weighed in on that decision as well.
As it stands now, Bill Owens may be in Washington and voting the Pelosi Party line but when the vote is certified he may be ousted. The state Board of Elections indicated that "...all ballots will be counted, and if the result changes, Owens will have to be removed." Concession speech or not, if the voters in the 23rd District elected Doug Hoffman and not Bill Owens, then Hoffman will be the Representative.
There are currently over 10,000 uncounted absentee ballots, many of which were in the military where a strongly conservative bias exists. Given the narrow margin of Owens' lead at this time, it's entirely possible that this race could still swing for Hoffman.
Sources indicate that the Democrats would not have had the votes to pass the Health bill if Owens had not been sworn-in and pledged his support for it. Several other Representatives have indicated that they would not have cast their votes in favor of the bill if they were not certain that it had the votes to win.
Obama’s pals at ACORN at work.
Just a hunch
As usual, they “find” a bunch of votes for the Acorn candidate.
Oh man, wouldn’t this be amazing?
It’s absurd that Owens votes in Congress before the election is certified... check that, it’s downright criminal.
I have a hard time believing it should take that long to finish the count. I'll bet you and I could count them in a day.
No this is the juiciest bit of news I’ve heard. It’s going to make all the Rats’ heads explode.
Doubted earlier but 10,000 absentee ballots heavy military. Obama and Pelosi will be smashing lampshades this weekend.
If Hoffman turns out to be the winner, Pelosi does not have to seat him.
From this group of criminals that are called New York elected officials?
I will believe Hoffman is in AFTER he has completed his first term!
We live in very dark times.
Well...imagine that...if Owens is removed, do they have to redo the House vote?
More votes will now be found than people alive and registered to cast them
There are currently over 10,000 uncounted absentee ballots,
I’d like to see a verified number for the uncounted absentee ballots. I’ve looked and can’t find one but find that only just over 10,000 were sent out. How many were returned I’ve not found a solid number the entire district. But I have seen numbers just under 6,000 returned in total.
I did find this today about Ft Drum and the total distributed absentee ballots:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/its_not_over_recanvassing_shows_ny23_race.html
The new vote totals mean the race will be decided by absentee ballots, of which about 10,200 were distributed, said John Conklin, communications director for the state Board of Elections.......
Jefferson County, home of Fort Drum and the Army’s 10th Mountain Division, distributed 2,299 absentee ballots for the special election. As of this week, 1,303 had been returned but not counted, Eaton said. He said the county will begin counting the absentee ballots earyl next week.
I thought it passed by two votes...So it wouldn’t make a difference anyway...
But for the life of me I cannot understand why 2-3000 votes could be “lost” or unaccounted for in such a closely followed and officiated race???
Whoever screwed that up should not ever be allowed to officiate even a nose-pickin’ contest...
Most of those absentee ballots would have been cast before Scuzzyfavors dropped out, so I wouldn’t get too hopeful just yet.
do I really have to say it???
Sportsmanlike? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Fight it out to the last dang vote is counted. Democraps would never concede anything in a sportsmanlike fashion. They lie and cheat their way to victory. Hoffman should hang in there and retake that seat. See if THEY will be sportsmanlike.
More amazing to me is that in 2010 we're going to be going through this same process over and over again as long as ACORN and the SEIU are in any way, shape or form permitted to "do their thing" to elections in most American cities.
Also jawdroppingly amazing is that citizens and/or cities, states and municipalities are not DEMANDING proof of identity for anyone who votes anywhere in this nation. As long as there is no proof of ID, there is phenomenal opportunity for fraudulent votes.
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