Army: Fort Hood suspect charged with murder

Associated Press ^ | Nov. 12, 2009 | ANGELA K. BROWN and LOLITA C. BALDOR

[Free ThinkerNY]

FORT HOOD, TEXAS (AP) - The Army psychiatrist accused in the Fort Hood shootings was charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder in the military's legal system, making him eligible for the death penalty if convicted, officials said Thursday.

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama ordered a review of all intelligence related to Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, and whether the information was properly shared and acted upon within government agencies.

U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command spokesman Chris Grey said at a news conference that additional charges may also be filed against Hasan. "We have a duty and obligation to protect the constitutional rights of everyone involved," Grey said.

[jpl]

I assume that even in today's military, premeditated murder is punishable by death.

But it really should be a charge of treason.

[MaxMax]

It's fourteen deaths! The Media will be saddened that he
wasn't just charged with just throwing a temper tantrum.

[RexBeach]

So, how many years will it take to adjudicate this case, this mess and this bum?

[svcw]

Why is he still breathing?

[snoringbear]

“Why is he still breathing?”

Mainly because the two heroic civilian police officers who shot Hasan were packing 9mm’s. One of the many lessons that “should” be learned from this terrorist act is that the pissy 9mm is an inadequate round. The police and our military need to go back to the venerable .45acp asap and leave the 9mm to the Europeans which is where it came from in the first place.

[The Comedian]

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama ordered a review of all intelligence related to Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan,

Translation:

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[Faith]

It's fourteen deaths!

Amen. There was a living baby in the womb of one of the victims. There were 14 deaths and to say that there were 13 deaths is to devalue that precious innocent life that never had a chance.

[blu]

So, how many years will it take to adjudicate this case, this mess and this bum?

I was going to ask if he'd be tried in both civilian and military courts, but remember from my research last week that he'll be tried for all crimes in military courts.

I would like to think that the military moves a little faster than civilian court, but the guy that fragged the tents in 2003 is still breathing..going thru the appeals process. Darn.

[blu]

Amen. There was a living baby in the womb of one of the victims. There were 14 deaths and to say that there were 13 deaths is to devalue that precious innocent life that never had a chance.

Don't have time to research TX law (chemo doc), but go to TX legislature site, look and see if unborn babies are considered a human life for murder. In Michigan, they are. Sadly, abortion is OK, but murder is not. Half good.

[Freedom2specul8]

The 14th murder victim of the Fort Hood jihadi massacre
"In the interest of true justice, Hasan should be prosecuted under the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, also known as Laci and Conner’s law, named for the pregnant woman and unborn baby who were murdered in California by Scott Peterson, the baby’s father. "

[Cobra64]

Mainly because the two heroic civilian police officers who shot Hasan were packing 9mm’s. One of the many lessons that “should” be learned from this terrorist act is that the pissy 9mm is an inadequate round. The police and our military need to go back to the venerable .45acp asap and leave the 9mm to the Europeans which is where it came from in the first place.

Ah yes, another caliber war.

If you're willing to be a target of a 9mm round, I'll give you my address and we'll assess the results of your assertions.

And yes, I do have a few .45 autos.

[blu]

OK, I know I'm breaking the the Wiki rules (as in, it's not an acceptable source of reliable info) but this time, it can't be wrong. It's also a good starting point. Thanks for telling me about the Act, here's the info for those following along at home:

"The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a "child in utero" as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."[2]

The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on Federal properties, against certain Federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

Because of principles of federalism embodied in the United States Constitution, Federal criminal law does not apply to crimes prosecuted by the individual states. However, 34 states also recognize the fetus or "unborn child" as a crime victim, at least for purposes of homicide or feticide.[3]

The legislation was both hailed and vilified by various legal observers who interpreted the measure as a step toward granting legal personhood to human fetuses, even though the bill explicitly contained a provision excepting abortion, stating that the bill would not "be construed to permit the prosecution" "of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf", "of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child" or "of any woman with respect to her unborn child."

The bill contained the alternate title of Laci and Conner's Law after the California mother (Laci Peterson) and fetus (Conner Peterson) whose deaths were widely publicized during the later stages of the congressional debate on the bill in 2003 and 2004. (see Scott Peterson and Laci Peterson). Scott Peterson was convicted of double homicide under California's fetal homicide law."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

From the resources link, TX is a state that recognizes this act..but this will be a federal case, right? (Am I the only one who care/loves the fine details here?)

[snoringbear]

“If you're willing to be a target of a 9mm round, I'll give you my address and we'll assess the results of your assertions.”

Not a caliber war. But just for fun, let's turn your offer around. Are you in for that? With you being the target of a 45acp round? But in this instance “I” will assess the results being you won't be around...

Btw, it would be instructive for you to do some research and learn what handguns the really serious dudes pack; such as the Seals, Special Op’s, various SWAT Teams. Most of them pack some version of the venerable 1911-A1, fitted for the .45ACP round. Second btw, there have been many articles written by both military and civilian people who are knowledgeable on this subject. They all state that the 9 is an inadequate round for police or military applications. None make that statement about the .45ACP.

[snoringbear]

“If you're willing to be a target of a 9mm round, I'll give you my address and we'll assess the results of your assertions.”

Not a caliber war. But just for fun, let's turn your offer around. Are you in for that? With you being the target of a 45acp round? But in this instance “I” will assess the results being you won't be around...

Btw, it would be instructive for you to do some research and learn what handguns the really serious dudes pack; such as the Seals, Special Op’s, various SWAT Teams. Most of them pack some version of the venerable 1911-A1, fitted for the .45ACP round. Second btw, there have been many articles written by both military and civilian people who are knowledgeable on this subject. They all state that the 9 is an inadequate round for police or military applications. None make that statement about the .45ACP.

[Cobra64]

http://sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=7&productid=191

[snoringbear]

An excerpt from Wikipedia; there’s more if you want to look it up. There’s plenty of other articles if you don’t care for Wikipedia. Bottom line, nobody, perhaps except yourself, cares for the 9mm as their duty handgun. If they’re carrying it, it’s because they’re required to.

By the early 1990s, most M1911A1s had been replaced by the M9, though a limited number remain in use by special units. The United States Marine Corps in particular were noted for continuing the use of M1911 pistols for selected personnel in MEU(SOC) and reconnaissance units (though the USMC also purchased over 50,000 M9 handguns). For its part, the United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) issued a requirement for a .45 ACP handgun (Offensive Handgun Weapon System (OHWS) trials). This resulted in the Heckler & Koch OHWS becoming the MK23 Mod 0 Offensive Handgun Weapon System (beating a Colt OHWS, a much modified M1911). Dissatisfaction with the Beretta M9’s stopping power has actually promoted re-adoption of handguns based on the M1911 design (along with other handguns) among USSOCOM units in recent years, though the M9 remains predominant both within SOCOM and in the US military in general.

[edit] Current users
Military and law enforcement organizations in the United States and other countries continue to use (often modified) M1911A1 pistols including Marine Force Recon, Los Angeles Police Department S.W.A.T. and L.A.P.D. S.I.S., the FBI Hostage Rescue Team, F.B.I. regional S.W.A.T. teams, and 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment—Delta (Delta Force). The Tacoma, Washington Police Department made history in 2001 by becoming the first metropolitan police department in nearly 50 years to adopt the M1911 as its official carry weapon.[8] The Tacoma Police Department selected the Kimber Pro Carry II or Pro Carry II HD as optional, department supplied weapons available to its officers.[8]

[Cobra64]

An excerpt from Wikipedia; there’s more if you want to look it up. There’s plenty of other articles if you don’t care for Wikipedia. Bottom line, nobody, perhaps except yourself, cares for the 9mm as their duty handgun. If they’re carrying it, it’s because they’re required to. By the early 1990s, most M1911A1s had been replaced by the M9, though a limited number remain in use by special units. The United States Marine Corps in particular were noted for continuing the use of M1911 pistols for selected personnel in MEU(SOC) and reconnaissance units (though the USMC also purchased over 50,000 M9 handguns). For its part, the United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) issued a requirement for a .45 ACP handgun (Offensive Handgun Weapon System (OHWS) trials). This resulted in the Heckler & Koch OHWS becoming the MK23 Mod 0 Offensive Handgun Weapon System (beating a Colt OHWS, a much modified M1911). Dissatisfaction with the Beretta M9’s stopping power has actually promoted re-adoption of handguns based on the M1911 design (along with other handguns) among USSOCOM units in recent years, though the M9 remains predominant both within SOCOM and in the US military in general. [edit] Current users Military and law enforcement organizations in the United States and other countries continue to use (often modified) M1911A1 pistols including Marine Force Recon, Los Angeles Police Department S.W.A.T. and L.A.P.D. S.I.S., the FBI Hostage Rescue Team, F.B.I. regional S.W.A.T. teams, and 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment—Delta (Delta Force). The Tacoma, Washington Police Department made history in 2001 by becoming the first metropolitan police department in nearly 50 years to adopt the M1911 as its official carry weapon.[8] The Tacoma Police Department selected the Kimber Pro Carry II or Pro Carry II HD as optional, department supplied weapons available to its officers.[8]

Sheesh. What is the fetish for the .45 auto? I posted four photos of my .45s. I spend several thousand dollars a year taking training classes. I shoot what I want and really don't care what anyone else shoots.

These guys use Sig P228s in 9mm:

http://www.navyseals.com/m11

Now you're going to state that the SEAL site is bogus.

[snoringbear]

“What is the fetish for the .45 auto?”

Oh, I suppose almost one hundred years of proven reliable performance under virtually every condition and circumstance that can be conceived may have something to do with the .45 1911 fetish. Keep practicing with your 9 though. Head shots are imperative with this round - unless you are close enough to smack your opponent with the barrel that is... LOL !

[Cobra64]

Oh, I suppose almost one hundred years of proven reliable performance under virtually every condition and circumstance that can be conceived may have something to do with the .45 1911 fetish.

I have about $5,500 tied up in three .45 1911s, but not the .45 caliber fetish.

Smith & Wesson 108284:

Dan Wesson Valor:

Performance Center:

And another $1,200 invested in a Sig Sauer P220ST .45 auto wearing $300 Crimson Trace laser grips. as my home defense pistol.

So thus far I have a $7,000 investment in the .45 auto caliber. Next year's acquisition is a Colt 1911A1 with custom work by Heirloom Precision for another $5k.

But yeah, what's a $12,000 commitment to .45 auto because I want to carry a P229ST in .40 S&W or a P226ST in 9mm?

Caliber wars...