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A Lesson in Biofuels from Tennessee
American Thinker ^ | November 11, 2009 | Jeffrey Folks

Posted on 11/11/2009 11:07:04 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 11/11/2009 11:07:05 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

the key point here is,

corn cobs being used,

not corn


2 posted on 11/11/2009 11:28:25 PM PST by element92
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To: neverdem

Good article. Thanks for posting.


3 posted on 11/11/2009 11:30:21 PM PST by Cedar
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To: neverdem

A follow-up article with more details is needed. Who profited from the swichgrass fiasco? Who made the promises that weren’t kept? Who were the legislators who funded it?

Green energy is a huge drain on the economy and there will be little to show for it. Yet eco-frauds will be making billions.


4 posted on 11/11/2009 11:34:03 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: neverdem
Meanwhile, the Obama administration seems determined to kill off as many jobs as possible in well-established energy businesses here in the United States.

zer0bama seems to think Cuba and Zimbabwe are the models of economic prowess we should follow.

5 posted on 11/11/2009 11:35:17 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
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To: neverdem

How much oil could we have drilled and refined for that $55 Million?


6 posted on 11/11/2009 11:35:23 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: DakotaRed

A hell’uva lot!


7 posted on 11/11/2009 11:41:27 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: element92
the key point here is,

corn cobs being used,

not corn

OK, but what happened to the switchgrass?

8 posted on 11/11/2009 11:49:39 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

there are two issues here.

No 1. ethanol from cellulose. I don’t know how that is doing,
___but they are getting SOME output. perhaps there are some ___problems, so they changed from switchgrass to something
___easier.

No 2. there is no market for the switchgrass, something went
___ wrong, see No. 1


9 posted on 11/12/2009 12:06:32 AM PST by element92
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To: element92

Yeah, I would’ve liked to hear a little bit more science in that article. Why exactly were they unable to make sufficient quantities of cellulosic ethanol from switchgrass? I’m assuming that they’re making cellulosic ethanol from corn cobs.


10 posted on 11/12/2009 12:19:50 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

in my opinion, the article looks biased.

written by either,
someone working for the oil industry,
(lots of those here at FR, btw)

or,

people who hate the US but like the ragheads in the
middle east
(lots of those at FR, btw)


11 posted on 11/12/2009 12:29:32 AM PST by element92
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To: neverdem

I thought this was going to be an article about the latest advances in Algae-oil. Since it is about corn cobs and switch grass, next topic.


12 posted on 11/12/2009 12:38:22 AM PST by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: jonrick46

Can they bottle the stuff up dye it green and market it as “Tennesse Green Guzzlene” ?


13 posted on 11/12/2009 12:45:42 AM PST by mosesdapoet (We don't need no stinkin videos unrelated to the subject screwing up our downloads)
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To: neverdem
OK, but what happened to the switchgrass?

Bait & switch: switched grass for rat bait.


14 posted on 11/12/2009 12:56:43 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: mosesdapoet

Here is a site for starters:

http://www.originoil.com/


15 posted on 11/12/2009 12:59:24 AM PST by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: neverdem

bttt


16 posted on 11/12/2009 2:04:18 AM PST by CIBvet (Thanks to all who sat in their lawn-chairs to prove we can protect the U.S Border .... REAL Patriots)
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To: element92

It’s not really biased, but more in line with the truth. I work in the agricultural sciences field. My opinion is that most of the cellulosic bioenergy programs are a waste of tax dollars - but it is a popular initiative.

About 18 months ago I visited a “pilot project” for cellulosic ethanol at a major universtiy. Tens of millions of dollars had been spent on the small but industrial sized plant. The process from loading the vats to refining the output took 8 months. The yield was less than 10 gallons of fuel.

Ten gallons.


17 posted on 11/12/2009 2:53:39 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: neverdem

I read an article a few months ago about Spain’s experience with a “green” economy. According to the article for every “green” job created four nongreen jobs were lost. If that’s the case, it’s a poor choice, never mind the pros and cons of using fossil fuels or biofuels.


18 posted on 11/12/2009 3:10:13 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: rusty millet
"It’s not really biased, but more in line with the truth. I work in the agricultural sciences field. My opinion is that most of the cellulosic bioenergy programs are a waste of tax dollars - but it is a popular initiative."

The article is a complete piece of propaganda, using a specific failure (cellulosic ethanol from switchgrass) of a single process to condemn all alternate energy research funding. Some idiot applying for a grant got overly optimistic about the state of the art in cellulosic ethanol and "jumped the gun" before all the bugs were worked out. It happens, and not just in the alternate energy business.

19 posted on 11/12/2009 3:42:31 AM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: element92
in my opinion, the article looks biased. written by either, someone working for the oil industry, (lots of those here at FR, btw) or, people who hate the US but like the ragheads in the middle east (lots of those at FR, btw)

90 MILLION TAX DOLLARS later and the article is biased?

Yea, it is all the biased writers fault.

20 posted on 11/12/2009 3:45:39 AM PST by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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