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I have no idea what solution Star Traveler would propose (with the possible exception of banning Islam which is obviously not a feasible solution, and would have no impact on the many non-religiously-motivated shooting sprees that were mentioned int he first place).

There are two different things being talked about here. One is the Islamic terrorist and his actions. That can be split up into two parts, too.

The second thing has to do with the long-standing problem that we've had in this country of mass shootings -- where people go into a crowd or the public or some public situation and shoot people indiscriminately, or rather maybe someone in particular and then everyone else around them, too.

For these two different things you can lump them into the same category. I really do not think there is any defense against the "mass shooting" type of killing in the public. If a mass shooting happens, people are going to get killed (in the general public) no matter what. You may stop the guy sooner or later, or he may give himself up -- but nonetheless -- people in the general public are going to get killed anyway.

Now, on the other hand for the Islamic terrorist -- there is a "Part A" and a "Part B" to that matter. And people should distinguish between the two.

Part A is the organized Islamic terrorist. He may work alone or in a group. He'll plan things out and he has a higher chance of getting caught because of this planning. This kind of planning tends to open the door to discovery and many of these types of plans are foiled, and that's good.

On the other hand, as the Muslim population gets to be larger and larger the other kind of terrorist, the "Part B" is going to be more problematic. He's the one who doesn't plan, will usually act on his own and will do so in a relatively quick fashion and not be detected as easily. He may have his own ideas about Islam and hold to them fervently but never act on the terrorism. You can't "get the guy" because of his "ideas" (the way things are now). So, there's nothing you can do about him. But, one day, he "snaps" and he does something on the spur of the moment (relatively speaking) and then engages in some act of terrorism. Whether it's a shooting or a bombing or even crashing a small plane into a building or poisoning people at a restaurant, or shooting up people in a mall -- he'll do it suddenly and be sort of "out of character" (so to speak) for a "hardcore terrorist" -- although he'll be a Muslim believer.

You're going to have a very hard time stopping these other kinds of terrorists.

My solution is to outlaw Islam as a religio-governmental idealogy designed to overthrow this government (and others, too), with force and violence and/or subterfuge (too). It's not a "religion" but a governmental philosophy and idealogy, just like communism is/was (or like Nazism). That's the solution.

83 posted on 11/11/2009 1:51:25 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

“My solution is to outlaw Islam as a religio-governmental idealogy designed to overthrow this government (and others, too), with force and violence and/or subterfuge (too). It’s not a “religion” but a governmental philosophy and idealogy, just like communism is/was (or like Nazism). That’s the solution.”

You sure did pick an odd starting point - a “blame the guns” article - to get here!


90 posted on 11/11/2009 3:01:05 PM PST by piytar (Go Away NRC, Steele, Graham, and the rest of the lib-loser GOP. WE'RE TAKING OUR PARTY BACK!)
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