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To: Wonder Warthog
I've already said that the Anti-Federalists were eerily prescient about the results.

I don't think there's anything eerie about it. It simply shows that the problems were obvious to many observers at the time.

But it is also true that even the Anti-Federalists believed that with the addition of the Bill of Rights, that the potential problems could be avoided, as sufficient of them voted to enable the passage of the Constitution.

Not exactly. I mean, it passed WITHOUT a bill of rights. They had the promise of a bill of rights. The vote in Virginia was very close. I don't know how all the anti-federalists voted in the end. You are correct that the Bill of Rights failed to fix the inherent flaws. In fact, the Bill of Rights contains some whopping errors in its own right.

For example, why the introductory clause in the 2nd amendment? If people have an absolute right to bear arms, why qualify it regarding militia duty? It muddies the water. The term "respecting the establishment of religion" is regrettably vague." What is an "unreasonable" search or seizure? etc.

I think that once the Constitution passed, it made sense to try to improve it with the bill of rights. But I think those that opposed a national government were correct. Those who supported it (and created it) were dead wrong.

28 posted on 11/11/2009 5:10:38 AM PST by Huck (The Constitution--a big government boondoggle.)
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To: Huck
"Not exactly. I mean, it passed WITHOUT a bill of rights. They had the promise of a bill of rights. The vote in Virginia was very close. I don't know how all the anti-federalists voted in the end."

Enough of them that the Constitution was ratified, obviously. Whether the Bill of Rights was included, or merely a promise was made, the tactic convinced enough of them to change their votes to result in ratification.

And the irony of it is that the world has learned nothing from the mistakes, as the "EU" is about to go down exactly the same road.

29 posted on 11/11/2009 5:28:53 AM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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