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To: jern
I think the election of the pro Obamacare, Bill Owens in NY-23 on Nov. 3rd tipped the vote to get it passed.


146 posted on 11/07/2009 8:21:32 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

No, the vote was engineered. Piglosi knew she had “back up” votes had Owens not been there.


215 posted on 11/07/2009 8:28:20 PM PST by oblomov
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To: FreeReign

a devastating loss. Owens is a Pelosi foot soldier.


270 posted on 11/07/2009 8:35:32 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: FreeReign; All

I think the election of the pro Obamacare, Bill Owens in NY-23 on Nov. 3rd tipped the vote to get it passed.

Nope. That's incorrect.

The fact that a NOBODY 3rd party Conservative in NY-23 could come out of no where — without the endorsement of the RNC, and despite last-minute turn-coat antics of the RINO dropping out of the race, and STILL come within 4 points of winning in a HIGHLY Liberal New York Congressional district that had just been gerrymandered into being even MORE Liberal — kept tonight's vote from being more like 230 in support of ObamaCare.

The vote of 218 (reaching 220 to garner favor from Obama) was HIGHLY calculated by the Democratic leadership to give cover to as many Blue Dogs as possible.

The fear of God is about to be put into the Blue Dogs who voted to SUPPORT ObamaCare tonight, by Tea Partiers and local Conservatives who are pissed off as a stepped-on Fire Ant mound on a hot 4th of July.


And those of you complaining "we are screwed" had better get engaged and get as many people you know engaged (if you're not already engaged) — or you, your kids and all future generations will beed !


436 posted on 11/07/2009 8:59:56 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: FreeReign
I think the election of the pro Obamacare, Bill Owens in NY-23 on Nov. 3rd tipped the vote to get it passed.

I seriously doubt it. The Dims had a seventy set spread over the Republicans. All they had to do is get another Blue Dog to fall on the sword and vote for this monstrosity.
473 posted on 11/07/2009 9:07:24 PM PST by RedMonqey ( John Galt , Please pick up the white courtesy phone.....)
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